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Amber · 06-05-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Good Wolf

If you saying that some people who claim to be Christian really aren't then I agree.

And that would include Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Mormons, Catholics, Buddhists, whatever. Take your pick.

Good Wolf · 06-05-2008, 02:37 PM

I don't think Buddhists claim to be Christian, but yeah we are on the same page.

hwnorth · 06-05-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaytee

... I believe that the one way to heaven is through Jesus.

Thats your right to believe that, and no one has the right to take that from you..

You don't believe in Heaven so it doesn't matter. Many good people (deep inner good people that is) are not Christian. Do they live wonderful beautiful lives? Are htey happy? Do they give to the world in so many ways that we are better because they are around? Yes to all of them. BUT they will not spend eternity in Heaven. THey are still wonderful people and deserve respect in every way.

First off, please quote me where I said I dont believe in heaven.

Who says they wont go to heaven ? .. You? Whos to say your heaven even exists? is there proof? Who says youre heaven is the only heaven ?

You cant, nor do you have the right to speak for everyone ... only for yourself. If you believe you have tasks in order for you be received , then so be it... maybe god spoke to me and gave me a different task .. maybe Im a Messiah ... do you truly know? Or do you only have the answers for yourself?

In my personal experience the only people who are up in arms about religion being taught in the classroom, about our money having "In God we Trust" and so on are the ones that have no religion. Why do I as a Christian have to remain PC while others are allowed to do what they want?

Religion has no place in the classroom, however ... I have no issues with education of religion, Im actually for it as it would teach a lot more religious tolerance.

If I may, no one here can say Im not religious, nor anyone else is or isnt. Religion is based upon individual beliefs... its how YOU interpret your beliefs... and the thousands of translations of one "Holy Book" is proof itself of this.
I feel in MY experience with faith, that the strongest and fastest to condemn another are the ones with the strongest beliefs.

By posts Ive been reading is this thread along, people with the same beliefs cant agree on their interpretations.

To me the bottom line is, out of so many religions in the world .. how can ONE be the right and ONLY one.. I find that mindset to be shallow ... no offense intended to anyone

Trina · 06-05-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hwnorth

To me the bottom line is, out of so many religions in the world .. how can ONE be the right and ONLY one.. I find that mindset to be shallow ... no offense intended to anyone

I agree!

We teach our kids that God makes people in all different colors, shapes, sizes and religions. No one color, shape, size or religion is better than any other. They are just different, and all deserve respect.

mmynedshlp · 06-05-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber

First of all, when you know me, then you may accuse me of bragging about my religion. I've posted a few times about my religion, and NEVER have I bragged. I've simply posted what I believe and left it at that. When asked to clarify, I do.

Second of all, when I am asked by the moderators to stop, I'll stop. I put up with people in here talking sex talk, cussing, posting pics that make fun of God. I have NEVER said anything except once. I'm not asking you to agree with me. I'm not asking you to like me. Heck, I'm not even asking you to read my posts. Jump over them, if you like. I was answering questions I was asked. How rude I would be not to answer them.

So, once you've been here a little bit longer, sweetie, and get to know me, then you may pass judgment on me. I don't mind. Until then, feel free to ignore me and jump over my posts.

Thank you and have a nice day.

ok Whe I wrote brag I did mean it a negative way though when i went back and read it after you pointed it out it would of seemed to come across that way I am sorry but what I mean about bragging was suppose to be positive. Like tell us the good things. Kind of like the bragging thread we have for our kids.
If you had read my earlier post you would see I have no problem learning about any religions and I have learned about many. I don't cut criticize or manipulate any others to make a point either.
I may not be a mod but i have been one before and I know if any new member comes on here like me and reads you post and they happen to be catholic ( though I am not but my husbands family is) they would leave because you clearly told them in your statements their religion is not of the bible. You want to get defensive fine. But I agree with the many others who posted in the forum this subject should been stopped as soon as got off subject.
this was suppose to be your outlooks on atheism not your comparison of churches.
Please by all means report me for defending the rules of this forum.

Amber · 06-05-2008, 06:33 PM

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Please show me what exact "rule" you are talking about. I've not attacked not one indivudual on this forum. Nor do I plan on it. Instead of accusing me, perhaps you might want to re-read your statements. Instead of telling me to stop and saying my ways are wrong and that I "brag" on my religion, perhaps you should do as I suggested in my last post, and feel free to use the ignore feature or skip past my posts. It's really not that hard of a task. I can provide step-by-step detailed instructions, if you wish.

As for "others who've asked this discussion to stop" I've seen not one person, other than you, ask it to stop. And you didn't ask, might I point out. You point blank told me to.

I've never said anything to anybody about posting inflammatory remarks towards my religion. I've never said anything about anyone posting curse words. I've never said anything about all the sex talk. It offends me, sure. But that's how they live. Who am I to condemn them? Who am I to call them out and tell them to stop? It's a discussion board, and I've not broken a single rule. You are not the only one who's mod'd, my dear. I mod right now, on a board MUCH stricter than this one. I know the rules of a discussion board quite well, thank you.

As for visitors....if the talk of circumcision being mutilation and vaccinations a possible source of killing your child and if you loved them you wouldn't...if that hasn't scared people off, than neither will my talking about my religion.

I've not called anyone who is Catholic a sinner. Nor have I said they were going to hell. Go back and re-read all my posts. I've simply stated why I don't believe in the Catholic practice. And I MYSELF have said some Catholics will make it to Heaven.

THIS right here is what I was talking about when I said the Christian religion offends so many. I've not said one negative thing. I've not said Catholics are of the devil. I"ve not said Muslims are going to burn in hell. I"ve not said "mmynedship is going to hell." I've not singled anyone out. But because I'm a Christian and believe certain ways, you want to attack me. Fine, feel free to. My shoulders are broad. I've taken far worse from better. And I knew I was going to take some flack. Jesus said I'd be persecuted because He was. Doesn't make it any easier, but I expected it.

Now, if I may. If anyone has a problem discussing this, by all means, send me a private message and let me know. I'll stop. I've already said it once. I won't shove my religion down ANYONE's throat. In fact, the Bible teaches that if one town doesn't accept you, to shake the dust off of your feet and move on to the next. I can certainly do that.

Amber · 06-05-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber

Now, if I may. If anyone has a problem discussing this, by all means, send me a private message and let me know. I'll stop. I've already said it once. I won't shove my religion down ANYONE's throat. In fact, the Bible teaches that if one town doesn't accept you, to shake the dust off of your feet and move on to the next. I can certainly do that.

Actually, don't bother. I'll end it now. I'll not be baited into an argument, nor will I sit and bicker about Catholicism versus Christianity. It's stupid and petty.

Skyburning · 06-05-2008, 06:46 PM

Amber (and please don't think I'm picking on you because I'm not) are you also offended by sex and cursing in movies? Just curious.

Kaytee · 06-05-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber

My children are not unworthy of my love, but that is because they are my children. Just as we are God's. And I do believe that He loves us unconditionally and that we are His troubled children. However, look at it from a different standpoint....let's say your neighbor kills and molests one of your children. Then she robs your house. Then she sets it on fire. Then she spits in your face. Does crack in your car. Gossips about you continually. Is she worthy of your love? Of course not. Look at what all she's done to you.

Look at what we all do to God on a daily basis. I, for one, will admit my faults. I've smoked cigarettes, smoked pot, done cocaine, crack, acid, meth, all on a regular basis, and drank more than most men. I've fornicated while unmarried. I've stolen. I've lied. I've gossipped. I've lusted. I've cursed not only people but God Himself. The list can go on and on. I've led a very wicked and evil life. I've done more before I got saved than most people do.

I was a wicked, vile person. Had my "neighbor" or whatever done all those things to me, I would probably not want them anywhere near me. (I am, after all, human) I was unworthy of His love and His grace and His forgiveness. However, when I gave my life to Him, He washed me and I became worthy in His eyes. I still feel unworthy most days, because, well, because I fail Him every day. Often. We're all human. Salvation does not equal perfection, contrary to what some people believe. It just means we're raggly old sinners saved by grace.

Anywho....I said all that to say this. My child can do whatever (s)he wants. But the bottom line is, they are still my child and I will love them no matter the nasty things they do or have done. God loves His children, no matter what they've done. They are still worthy if they choose to be.

I dunno...I guess I meant that we should not feel worthy. Everyone is worthy...Bible says "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." That means me, you, her, him, them, the crackhead down the street, the prostitute on the corner, the murderer on death row or even, gasp, the child molester on a life-term.

I guess I didn't word it correctly. (Sorry, MM...was like 3 in the morning)

Anyway, I better end this before I start preaching or something...boy wouldn't the Baptists like that.

I have only read to here (just so you know its post 83) but wanted to see if I could clarify how teh Catholics pray for help from others (saints and such) its more of like this "Lord Jesus please send Mary to stand next to me today as I am giving birth. I need her strength that she had the day she bore you into this life" Does that help at all. Or has this been dealt with in the last 10 pages lol?

Geoff L · 06-05-2008, 10:12 PM

As a new poster I have been very surprised by the strong Christian flavour of the board.

I know there are another 10 pages but post #3 is enough to put anyone off this thread and even the board itself. Please don't assume what anybody elses experience is as a Christian, Athiest or anything else.

I think the responsibility of a parent is to prepare their kids for life, not indoctrinate them into one way to live. I encourage mine to think for themselves and make their own decsions.

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