Ari2

Kaytee, why would a child need the MMR every 4 years for the rest of her life? The current childhood schedule is one at 12-15 months and again at 4-6 years and then none after that. You said you had the MMR 3 times and then 2 with rubella, so you are not getting the MMR every 4 years either.

Kaytee

no I'm not and don't plan to either. The vaccine wears off. Thats all. Just like chicken pox vaccine, most people will need boosters every few years to maintain the efectancy of it.
I'm not a vaccine hater. I just think the facts need to be heard then parents can decide whats best for their family.
and yes I had the MMR twice when I was little. Was tested for titers at 24 (when I got married ) I had very small amount of titers (below what is considered adequate protection) I was given the MMR again the week before I was married. I was then tested for titers again at 28 (when I had Nichole and still showed no immunity to rubella.
So even though I have been vaxed I have no immunity. That is a false sense of security given to parents that vax. They believe their children are protected but reality shows that some of them will not be.

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Kaytee

oh and I meant I have had MMR twice not 3 times.... sorry about that, its a typo

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Ari2

But where are you getting these facts?

The immunity to varicella does wear off over time, but it's not as quick as you suggest and there is no recommendation for boosters every few years for the rest of your life. Here's a link to the New England Journal of Medicine 2007 article that supports giving a second dose of varicella at 4-6 years, but not ever few years for the rest of your life.

The immunity to measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) is different. The vax immunity to MMR with the current vax schedule is thought to be around 15-25 years+.

You are right that some people fail to respond to the MMR vax. Everyone is different, so this occasionally occurs. But for most parents the MMR does not give a "false sense of security": Only 2-5% of the people given one MMR dose fail to attain immunity, but with the second dose this number drops to 1-2 out of a thousand (link) and the second dose has been a part of the recommended vax schedule since 1989. People on certain drugs like inhaled or oral steroids for asthma often have less of a response, so it is advised that they hold their steroids before vaxing (link to Pediatrics abstrace).

- Link to the CDC's discussion of measles and the MMR, including vax failure

I'm not pro-vax or anti-vax either. I don't completely agree with the CDC, but I think most vaxes are effective and useful. And I agree about parents deciding what's best for their families, but I don't see where you are getting your information.

Kaytee

well here is a good example why the risk may be worse then the benefit.

also if you look at VAERS that have been 6 reported deaths from MMR in 2007-2008. 5 of htem were in children 1-2 years old. Yet no deaths in the US from measles (recently). 95% of ALL measles cases that end in death our in children in unindustrilaized nations.

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Ari2

This is from Whale.to, isn't it? (Link to the page with this quote.) This "info" is also from Whale.to:

-- "This planet could be called the planet of good and evil. That requires inner and external Tyrants (and the main, plausible, reason offered is that negativity is a great teaching tool. Currently we have about 50% negativity, and we look to be ending the reign of the external tyrants, this being their last throw of the dice. We will then cut the negativity down to around 2%.) There is only one external Tyrant at the core, as there is only one God. You can follow the neck up from the Medical Tyrant which is the main money earner and cause of most suffering in the Western world. The chief external tyrant is called Big Brother, his main defence is invisibility which he maintains by ignorance and propaganda aka Mind Control (the Emperors new clothes). The psychology of tyrants is Psychopathy."

--"Mind control is the matrix of the covert-Fascist state, a creation of Psychopathic Ego/Self Importance programming, consisting mostly of information control--- enforced ignorance so propaganda (lies) can flourish which includes suppression of the truth, such as non-cartel medicine and disease causes, and assassination of truth speakers or competition. Other tools can be seen here, which includes electronic & chemical. Truth kills mind control, and therefore Fascism."

--"In isolation any of these may be seen as just a money making Elite venture but taken in context (the wood from the trees), they are obviously also part of the depopulation agenda, which ranges from wars (they created Hitler and Lenin) to poisons while suppressing medical cures and knowledge and forcing people through ignorance to use toxic chemotherapy and radiation (Allopathyis the leading cause of death and disabilityoutside of wars and famine, also created through WEATHER TECHNOLOGY). They broke cover recently with Depleted Uranium. It took a Presidential Executive Order from Reagan to get Aspartame on the market, engineered by Rumsfeld, also behind The Great Swine Flu Massacre. Orgonite disables the weather engineering and cell phone towers, while knowledge will kill the other poisonings."

-- "Psychiatry is a medical (Allopathic) specialty dealing with mental illness. Psychiatrists have been, and are, at the heart of the Mind Control programme (which tells a story). They were also behind Hitler's death camps and most escaped trial. No Psychiatric drugs has ever cured anyone, they get them on the market by fraud and control of the FDA, media and government, and they just create a victim for milking over a lifetime, while enslaving any thinking or spiritual ability."


Whale.to gets selectively quoted a lot with regard to vaccines, but I think you need to look at all of it to weigh whether it is a credible source or a collection of weird stuff posted by a paranoid nut. Here's the main page of Whale.to with a listing of its topics: link.

Kaytee

I agree, but there are NO credentiel sites. They are all biased, which is why I backed it up with VAERS and did not just leave it by itself.
Of course VAERS is not 100% as they only think a small percentage of reactions are reported. As my own child's was not I believe it

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Ari2

You don't think there is any source of credible information? Have you tried PubMed? It is a database of published articles from peer-reviewed journals. Also, do you think all sites are biased to an equal degree, that Whale.to with its talk about vampires and government mind control is on equal footing with an article from the journal Pediatrics? Do you really not see a difference?

Kaytee

of course there is a difference, but as I already said, I backed up what I put (not the whole article) with what VAERS says. So whether or not the rest is false information, amkes no difference, the part I posted is true, hence the back up with VAERS.
They are biased, whether to what degree is undetermined. Study after study shows harm from vaccines, study after study shows no harm from vaccine. I don't believe either side to tell you the truth. I believe vaccines are a wonderful medical discovery, but they way they get presented is ONE SIDED. THey are the end all of end all of good health. Thats just not true. Americans are not dying from these diseases because we have clean water (though my daughter is allergic to water... go figure) we have hospitals. We know what to look for and don't just sit back and watch our children die.
So to anser your question, no I do not believe that any one source is 100% accurate.

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Ari2

I don't put much credence in VAERS for exactly the reason you first cited: Important reactions such as the one your daughter had are often not reported. And what is included is equally untrustworthy: You can report anything without showing a scrape of evidence that it is related to a vax. Even the CDC admits that VAERS is not a reliable source of info. Here's one CDC quote about VAERS (link):

While VAERS provides useful information on vaccine safety, the data are somewhat limited. Specifically, judgments about causality (whether the vaccine was truly responsible for an adverse event) cannot be made from VAERS reports because of incomplete information. VAERS reports often lack important information such as laboratory results.

My question wasn't whether you think any source is 100% accurate. It was whether you thought any source is credible. If you don't, where do you get the info to make an informed decision?