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yulia · 03-12-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by musicmom

Yulia if you hate the holes in your ears then why haven't you let them grow back. They do close IF you quit putting earring back in them.

I haven't been wearing earrings for over 10 years by now and I'm not sure if the holes sealed or not, but you still can see them very clear.

musicmom · 03-12-2008, 03:57 PM

You can go to a dermatologist and have them freeze them closed. Easy procedure.

s_l_wood · 03-12-2008, 03:58 PM

I`ve heard several people say it is best for babies to get circumcised right after birth so that ``they won`t remember it`` but I have never asked them to elaborate. Perhaps they know boys and men who were circumcised as babies and do not complain about something they do not remember, or perhaps they think if something unpleasant happens it is better to be done at a time when it will be forgotten. Our son will not remember his circumcision (he got it done when he was only a couple weeks old), but it was not unpleasent at all. It was done at the Tiny Tots Medical Center in Montreal with painkiller, by Dr. Murray Katz, using the mogen clamp. I got circumcised as a baby but if it was not done then and could be done as quickly and easily as our sons was in my adult years (impossible, of course, but I am speaking hypothetically) I would have gladly chosen to have it done. Our son`s circumcision took less than a minute. Similar procedures can be done in Toronto at The Jesin Circumcision Clinic, and in Vancouver at The Pollock Clinic. All this stuff about babies not remembering the trauma of their circumcisions was irrelevant to us as our son`s circumcision was quick and painless. My fiance has heard about long, painful circumcisions but she was present when our son got it done and said it was quick, with almost no discomfort. A video of the procedure our son received can be seen at:
WWW.CIRCUMCISIONVANCOUVER.COM

Lissa · 03-12-2008, 03:59 PM

Oh look, another recruit.

Ari2 · 03-12-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by yulia

Ari, I can’t figure out if you pretend to not be getting it at all because you're getting a kick from me getting into an explanation of the most obvious things (if so, please let me know and I'll just ignore such posts of yours since I don't really have time to waste) or you really aren't getting it?!

Um, I think there is a third explanation....

During surgeries we do NOT actually FEEL pain; many surgeries (for instance, c-section, which is a major abdominal surgery) performed under anesthesia that allows a person to stay totally awake and STILL feel no pain. As for general anesthesia, you don't ACTUALLY FEEL anything, even pocks, forget about pain, it NOT just about torturing you and then erasing it from your memory. So, you do NOT really get any trauma on the first place.

I think many people would be traumatized if they found out the details of their surgery. And while unwelcome, pain is not that uncommon under general anesthesia and usually manifests itself with an increase in blood pressure and heart rate. When this happens, the anesthesiologist just gives IV pain meds. It is viewed as so commonplace and insignificant that it does not get reported. With regional anesthesia (e.g., epidurals, spinals, and procedures that numb limbs/part of limbs), the failure rate, which is the rate that the patient didn't get pain relief, is fairly high - it usually is reported to be around 10-20%. And even when it is successful, most people experience significant pain when the blood is forced from the limb (such as in hand surgeries) and the tourniquet is on, which is during most limb surgeries. In most situations the patient receives more pain meds as well as a drug to erase their memory. But if the pain is going to be very brief or there is a reason to avoid narcotics the person may just get a memory-erasing drug.

On the other hand, some people report anesthesia failure (when they couldn't move or scream but feel quite a bit) and some of them don't quite even remember the surgery itself, remembering just the feeling of panic, pain, helplessness and those people usually spend years going through therapies, having horrible nightmares, panic attacks, etc.

I know 2 people who had awareness under anesthesia. Neither needed therapy or had panic attacks. In studies, most don't have panic attacks after this. It's a horrible experience, but it usually does not lead to years of therapy. Just as reassurance: This is rare, and there usually are indications when this happens so the anesthesiologist can make adjustments and render the person completely unaware.

Most of babies (about 85% of them) are NOT given ANY anesthesia. Some are given topical cream which usually almost doesn't do anything even IF you wait the full 45 min or so for it to take affect (which usually isn't the case; no one usually wants to "waste" time waiting for it to take effect and the ripping off, cutting and crushing of the most sensitive part of the body is basically performed almost right away after the cream was applied which basically means NO anesthesia). Most babies wail bloody murder, they chock, pass out, puke, pass out, wail, chock and this "fun" goes on for about 15 min. Do you SERIOUSLY think that human BODY and BRAIN can really EVER forget such a trauma even if it's not something a person actively remembers?! That would be so naive to think that!

How many circs have you seen? I've never seen the "wail bloody murder, choke, pass out, puke, pass out, wail, choke" for every 15 minutes. I've never even seen a kid pass out or puke, much less do this repeatedly. Have you actually seen enough circs and witness this phenomenon to say that it is "most babies", or this just what you think happens?

musicmom · 03-12-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by s_l_wood

I`ve heard several people say it is best for babies to get circumcised right after birth so that ``they won`t remember it`` but I have never asked them to elaborate. Perhaps they know boys and men who were circumcised as babies and do not complain about something they do not remember, or perhaps they think if something unpleasant happens it is better to be done at a time when it will be forgotten. Our son will not remember his circumcision (he got it done when he was only a couple weeks old), but it was not unpleasent at all. It was done at the Tiny Tots Medical Center in Montreal with painkiller, by Dr. Murray Katz, using the mogen clamp. I got circumcised as a baby but if it was not done then and could be done as quickly and easily as our sons was in my adult years (impossible, of course, but I am speaking hypothetically) I would have gladly chosen to have it done. Our son`s circumcision took less than a minute. Similar procedures can be done in Toronto at The Jesin Circumcision Clinic, and in Vancouver at The Pollock Clinic. All this stuff about babies not remembering the trauma of their circumcisions was irrelevant to us as our son`s circumcision was quick and painless. My fiance has heard about long, painful circumcisions but she was present when our son got it done and said it was quick, with almost no discomfort. A video of the procedure our son received can be seen at:
WWW.CIRCUMCISIONVANCOUVER.COM

Very nicely done. No crying, nothing.

HappyMomma · 03-12-2008, 04:17 PM

Yulia, I am a bit curious. To quote you in another thread:

So, while it’s not fun to see a child running a high fever, it’s just something his immune system needs to get stronger. As for fever, it does NOT need to be brought down as long as the child is able to keep any fluids down.

I don't quite understand why you would not believe in bringing a high fever down for the comfort of the child if you feel this way about circ.? Would a high miserable fever not be traumatic as well?

musicmom · 03-12-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HappyMomma

Yulia, I am a bit curious. To quote you in another thread:

So, while it’s not fun to see a child running a high fever, it’s just something his immune system needs to get stronger. As for fever, it does NOT need to be brought down as long as the child is able to keep any fluids down.

I don't quite understand why you would not believe in bringing a high fever down for the comfort of the child if you feel this way about circ.? Would a high miserable fever not be traumatic as well?

Especially when THAT could cause brain damage.

Lissa · 03-12-2008, 04:33 PM

Because uncircumcised penises are unattractive.

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