musicmom

So if they won't come back then why do we keep the virus on hand at all times? Do you know what terroists are? Of course that's jumping the gun but you never know.

I have never heard of chicken pox as debilitating but..........ok.

With the way the world is and everybody going everywhere there is no telling what might come back here (or where you are)

Does H5N1 sound familiar?

musicmom

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...48/ai_54692991
Chicken pox isn't harmful???? Please read.

Gitti

I know where you are coming from. Honestly, I used to think exactly like that. That is why my kids were vaccinated. Thank goodness there were only about 12 vaccines on the schedule and we started at age 4 months. Now there are 38 on the schedule and they start at day of birth.

Le me just tell you a wee bit about what I have learned: Vaccines are grown on either aborted fetal tissues, eggs, or some animal tissues. We have no way of knowing whether a newborn is allergic to eggs. That is why we don't give newborns eggs. Yet we inject them with a vaccine that was grown on eggs.

Also we have no clue how a child will respond to the foreign DAN that the vaccine was grown on. The fist dose may not cause any reaction, the body was surprised. But any subsequent injections can have very severe reactions. They can be immediate like SIDS or they can manifest themselves in the form of asthma, allergies, and all sort of adverse immune responses. We are messing with the immune system here.

I am not saying that you should change or anything, I just want to say that unless you really do research the issue there is no way of knowing the facts.


Anyway, to each his own. And I think I've said enough.

yulia

Gitti, I could really use your advice here http://www.parentingforums.org/showthread.php?p=27127#post27127
thanks,
yulia.

musicmom

If that's where it has to come from then that's just how they get it.
I eat hamburger and I know it comes from a dead cow. I'm fine with that.
Looking at it medically I can see where vaccines could possibly in time screw with our DNA but so could alot of things.

yulia

why don't you try injecting hamburger dirrectly into your bloodstream and see how it goes...

musicmom

Your analogy is wrong Yulia, you would have to grow a vaccine from the hamburger meat.
A vaccine is not directly putting a whole fetus into your blood stream hun.

Gitti

Musicmom, you are jumping around quite a bit. Let me try and respond to one remark at a time.


They keep viruses on hand - actually not, just in labs - to study them. Viruses are very interesting. Just like anything else, we know they exist and so we study them. We study EVERYTHING that we can find to study. It is human nature.

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Do you know what terroists are? Of course that's jumping the gun but you never know.

If you are thinking that someone is going to come and spread some virus or bacteria over us, well, which one?

How many choices do they have? As many as there are viruses or bacteria. And how many would that be? Maybe three or four millions. So which vaccine is going to do us any good in that case?

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I have never heard of chicken pox as debilitating but..........ok.

There have always been cases of benign childhood diseases that kill someone. Even the most basic such as cp. But I can bring up just as many adverse reactions to the cp vaccine if not more.

Besides, we don't have any clue as to those actual causes of deaths. Just because someone has cp does not mean they can have died of pneumonia or chemotherapy for that matter. The article you posted does not give us any insight at all.
Nor do we know, was the child neglected, mistreated...there are too many variables to even discuss the article.

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With the way the world is and everybody going everywhere there is no telling what might come back here (or where you are)

I guess you would have to research a little about the immune system and bacteria to discuss this statement. I am not sure I want to really get into that.

[/quote]Does H5N1 sound familiar?[/quote]
Did you vaccinated for it? Are you hoping for a vaccine?

I am not sure this is a board for me. If you people want me to leave, tell me. Like I said, I came here sort of sporadically but it is not my intent to polarize this board. Nor is it to attack or be attacked. I love a good debate when there is something to be gained. But I am not sure this is the time or place.

Ari2

India first launched a nationwide polio vax program in 1978. Since that time, the Indian government has relied exclusively on the live oral polio vax (Sabin, versus the killed injected Salk vax used in the US), in part because the virus can spread with the oral vax.

Here's an explanation from a CDC official quoted in the NY Times: ''In endemic areas [polio is endemic to India], the oral vaccine is the vaccine of choice,'' said Dr. Rebecca Prevots, an epidemiologist in the National Immunization Program at the C.D.C. ''It contains live virus, and it can spread from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated person, and it will confer some immunity to the unvaccinated person. You can immunize more people than you're actually vaccinating. You get more bang for the buck.''

This is different, of course, for countries in which polio is not endemic, such as the US. In the US, there is no need to use the live virus and doing so will create some cases of vaccine virus transmission.

So the recent spike in polio cases in India don't reflect a change from killed to live vaxs - they always relied on the live vax as the mainstay of its program. India had hoped to move from phase v (using the oral vax) to phase w (using only the killed vax) by the year 2000 but was unable to meet this goal. (The US is at phase w.)

musicmom

No one told you to leave, don't be paranoid.

I've researched enough and have made my decision as to what is best for me and my children.

I do hope they find a vaccine for H5N1.