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musicmom · 02-09-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari2

India first launched a nationwide polio vax program in 1978. Since that time, the Indian government has relied exclusively on the live oral polio vax (Sabin, versus the killed injected Salk vax used in the US), in part because the virus can spread with the oral vax.

Here's an explanation from a CDC official quoted in the NY Times: ''In endemic areas [polio is endemic to India], the oral vaccine is the vaccine of choice,'' said Dr. Rebecca Prevots, an epidemiologist in the National Immunization Program at the C.D.C. ''It contains live virus, and it can spread from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated person, and it will confer some immunity to the unvaccinated person. You can immunize more people than you're actually vaccinating. You get more bang for the buck.''

This is different, of course, for countries in which polio is not endemic, such as the US. In the US, there is no need to use the live virus and doing so will create some cases of vaccine virus transmission.

So the recent spike in polio cases in India don't reflect a change from killed to live vaxs - they always relied on the live vax as the mainstay of its program. India had hoped to move from phase v (using the oral vax) to phase w (using only the killed vax) by the year 2000 but was unable to meet this goal. (The US is at phase w.)

Nicely put

Ari2 · 02-09-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gitti

Le me just tell you a wee bit about what I have learned: Vaccines are grown on either aborted fetal tissues, eggs, or some animal tissues. We have no way of knowing whether a newborn is allergic to eggs. That is why we don't give newborns eggs. Yet we inject them with a vaccine that was grown on eggs.

I appreciate the tone of your responses, Gitti. But one clarification for people who may not be aware of this: Only the flu shot and the yellow fever vax (not real common in the US) contains a significant amount of egg protein. The MMR vax is grown in chick embryo cell culture, but the CDC and the AAP's ID Committe ("Red Book") no longer consider even a proven egg allergy to a contraindication to the MMR vax as the shot has been proven not to provoke an egg allergy.

yulia · 02-09-2008, 04:14 PM

I feel so crappy today. SO not into a discussing the subject with people who still didn’t feel like spending just two hours (even if it’s ‘just in case’) to watch the movie!

I really feel now like saying “You know what, if you really believe that vaccines are great, safe and can take a credit for eliminating diseases without second-guessing, then go right ahead and give them to your kids”.

Sorry, but any further discussion (with me) will only take a place AFTER one watches the movie.
Till then, good luck, peace and health to your family…

Ari2 · 02-09-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by yulia

I really feel now like saying “You know what, if you really believe that vaccines are great, safe and can take a credit for eliminating diseases without second-guessing, then go right ahead and give them to your kids”

This statement seems reasonable to me.

I think all you can say to anyone about any topic that evokes strong emotions (and that pretty much is anything about other people's kids) is "Here is some information. Read it or not. Good luck, peace and health to your family." People will make their own decisions, based on their own level of understanding and information. You can't force it, regardless of how much passion one has for an issue.

Kaytee · 02-09-2008, 07:35 PM

I agree!! I don't care that parents vaccinate. I care that they do it blindly. I wish parents would educate themselves and then make teh decision.
I wish I would have before my daughter had a reaction. And I still vaccinate just not like "they" think I should

Gitti · 02-09-2008, 09:58 PM

Yulia, I just want to tell you that I just listened to the video you posted and there really is a lot of valuable information in it. Thanks.

I had seen Mary Tocco before though, but it was good to refresh my memory on some of her data.

ljmahr · 02-10-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gitti

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Sorry to disappoint you but getting rid of all vaccines will not bring back the bubonic plague. Wonder how we ever got rid of it in the first place?

Measles, mumps, and chicken pox are normal childhood diseases. I had them and lots more. But in my generation no one was afraid of them. We were sent to the neighbors house if a kid over there had the infection, so that we could get infected and get it over with. Sort of like a "chicken pox party".

That was of course before a vaccine was brought on the market. Now we are scared of them and call them debilitating.

Someone had mentioned the "chicken pox party" before in another thread. Does this sound a little dumb to anyone else? Isn't parents suppose to take care of their children and not let them get sick or hurt? The party thing is taking it way overboard and is just plain ignorant. I am usually an open minded person but this is just stupid.

fallon · 02-10-2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ljmahr

Someone had mentioned the "chicken pox party" before in another thread. Does this sound a little dumb to anyone else? Isn't parents suppose to take care of their children and not let them get sick or hurt? The party thing is taking it way overboard and is just plain ignorant. I am usually an open minded person but this is just stupid.

IDK...personally I have said to my family members with kids that I want them to call me if their kids get the chicken pox. DH's mom put her three kids together in one room when the first one got them so they could all get them at once. The chicken pox are no big deal Unless you are an adult who hasn't had them. I say save the vax for adults and let the kids get the darn chicken pox. It isn't really fair to have them vax for chicken pox when the shot will need to be boostered as adults...you can't guarantee your child will have health insurance as an adult and even worse most insurances won't even cover the vax for adults

ljmahr · 02-10-2008, 09:08 PM

I completely understand that. And this vax is the only one I have even remotely regretted letting my children get because of this. BUT there is no way I would ever let my children get sick. It just sounds so ridiculous to me. If they get it they get it. Besides the vax doesn't exactly stop them from getting it. Some cases yes and some cases they just will not get it as bad. Matter of fact, the doctor who gave my oldest 2 it said they would most likely get it anyway, just not bad.

fallon · 02-10-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ljmahr

I completely understand that. And this vax is the only one I have even remotely regretted letting my children get because of this. BUT there is no way I would ever let my children get sick. It just sounds so ridiculous to me. If they get it they get it. Besides the vax doesn't exactly stop them from getting it. Some cases yes and some cases they just will not get it as bad. Matter of fact, the doctor who gave my oldest 2 it said they would most likely get it anyway, just not bad.

I understand how you feel. Sometimes I wonder if I would really take them. No one wants their kids to get sick...othertimes I think I just want to get it over with and make sure they get it. I remeber the chicken pox being itchy and annoying but overall my mom kept me comfy and it wasn't the worst thing that ever happened to me. I think the parties are becoming more popular because of the vax...it isn't as easy to get the chicken pox these days...lol

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