Kaytee

Wanted to add one more thing about the vaccine itself. The CDC openly admits that the only reason they vaccinate for this disese is because its to hard on economy if parents have to miss work for a week. That is no reason to inject children with diseases.
ok one more thing lol. What is the difference in injecting a disease directly into your child's body and placing them next to someone that has the disease?

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yulia

exactly!

yulia

We are taught to believe that immunized kids get diseases milder. Well, what else CAN they say, that your child got a whole neuro-toxin cocktail in his body for NOTHING?! At least that would make a parent feel better!

In reality though we see completely different picture where unvax'd kids get VPDs MUCH milder that children whose immune system was messed up by vaccination.

ljmahr

I just wanted to clear this up. I didn't say anyone was stupid. I said the actions of taking a child to a party at 2 years old was stupid. I wouldn't call someone stupid for having a different point of view.

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ljmahr

As I said the cp vax is the only one I can say that I even slightly regret giving to my kids. If the real reason for this vax is so parents do not have to miss work than I feel that just isn't good enough. I think with this whole debate and just trying to get people to look at their options before giving their children is good. Although, I still stand by my decision for doing so.

To answer Kaytee, I gave my children this CP vax with the understanding I am trying to prevent them from being sick. If I was to take my child to a "party" to get sick, I would not be preventing them from being sick.

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Kaytee

I get it. I am not sure if I would purposefully try to get my dd sick but...
I do vax don't forget that. I just think that our children are given too much and too many.

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Ari2

Parents missing work is only part of the CDC's reasoning behind the chicken pox vax. Here's a quote from the CDC website:

Why get vaccinated?

It is not possible to predict who will have a mild case of chickenpox and who will have a serious or even deadly case of disease. Even with uncomplicated cases, children with chickenpox miss an average of 5-6 days of school, and parents or other caregivers miss 3-4 days of work to care for sick children. Compared with children, adults are at increased risk of complications related to chickenpox.
Vaccination is the best way to prevent infection with varicella—the virus that causes chickenpox—both in an individual and in the community. Widespread vaccination also reduces the risk of exposure to infection for persons at risk for serious disease who cannot be vaccinated because of illness or other conditions. The vaccine is safe and effective, and should be used to prevent as many cases as possible.

There's a big difference. The vax has an attenuated = weakened form of the varicella virus that has difficulty infecting human skin. This makes it much less virulent than the wild-type disease.

I'm not a big fan of the chicken pox vax and wonder about the duration of efficacy for the adult booster. While I think an adult missing 5 days of work is a big deal (for some people that might be a financial blow), it seems to me that the current chicken pox vax could push the average age of the disease up, when it is more dangerous.

Kaytee

you are right it is proven to push the disease to an older age, now it will be more deadly. There is also an increase in adults getting shingles. Basically the way it works is once you get chicken pox, you have the virus forever!! Its just there, but because we are in constant contact with the disease, this keeps the body fighting off the disease and you have less of chance of getting shingles as an adult. We are now limiting the exposure and there fore increasing shingles

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Gitti

I read Stephanie Cave's book. It was the first book I read on the issue and I've been reading ever since.

After reading her book, we came to the conclusion to do the vaccines but ONE AT A TIME. We now wish we wouldn't have done that. But that was the message I got out of her book.

I next read many books by Coulter, Miller, Mendelsohn, Koren, Buchwald, Kirby and more. They each have a message or a story that does lead you to seriously question vaccines (honestly).

The only book I have ever read where I could not tell whether the author's kids were actually vaccinated or not is the book from Aviva Jill Romm. She simply informs, nothing more, nothing less. The book is factual and very well researched with sources for all her information.

If you are looking for a honest unbiased book about vaccines, I would recommend hers. It's called - Vaccines: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide.

I have since then purchased her other book Naturally Healthy Babies And Children with the foreword by Dr. Sears (whose own book is not very well researched and pretty pro-vax imo).

ljmahr

I have a question about the CP vax. If you are injecting the virus into you or the child when you get the vax than why wouldn't you get immuned to it like actually getting the virus? I was reading a couple post here and the only answer to this I could come up with is maybe it is just too low of a dose of the virus. I have heard how people who had gotten CP but not very bad would get it again.

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