jtee

Good reponse. Thx

yulia

I think it says it all, doesn't it?

Ari2

No "further discussion" with you? You posted something like 15 times on this thread after this post quoted above. It seems you don't want discussion or debate, just agreement or the ability to pontificate without anyone challenging your information. That's ok - nothing can force others to respond to posts...or watch 2.5 hour internet movies....When I respond, I now assume you won't reply so I am just providing info to any others who may wonder if your post was accurate. But please realize you are contradicting yourself.

musicmom

yulia

It takes me 5 seconds to post a link/study I ran across, so yes, I did it.
Someone made a good point, so I’d just let know that I thought it was a good point.

Mucismom asked if I had HPV info, so I gave her what I had (regretting afterwards though).

As for long discussions to proof you guys anything, I’ve wasted too much of my time already on people that don’t feel there is a need to spend 2+ hours to watch a movie where someone shares 26 YEARS of research on the subject for FREE! Even if you do believe that vaccines are safe, how is it possible to not be interested to watch it just in CASE, since your child’s health or perhaps even life might be on the picture?! I don’t get people like that, never will! I’m trying to understand your logic guys, I really do, but fail every time! I am trying to put myself in your shoes, imagining that someone tells me there is a 2+ hour movie where a person with 26 years of research give a lecture about let's say, dangers of broccoli (which I truly believe to be not just safe, but also healthy). I’d still thought to myself that there still can be something about the broccoli that I 'don’t know that I don’t know', otherwise I doubt someone would dedicate his life researching it and giving lectures (while not being paid for that). SO, no matter how much I would believe that broccoli is safe and healthy, I still would ABSOLUTELY watch the movie as soon as I could and just in case I wouldn’t give my kids any broccoli that day, until I actually watch what this person with 26 years of research has to say! Would I believe the movie? Maybe yes, maybe not, but I would definitely watch it with open mind and do some more research afterwards to be absolutely sure that I’m making a right and informed choice for my kids. How many of us thought that soy is good, aster all?!

Now, that’s just broccoli, a single veggie. And we aren’t talking about veggies here. But rather about a cocktail of the worst neurotoxins/toxins our planet has known! And all this is being injected directly into developing fragile life! You can bet your life I’d watch this movie even if I thought that vaccines are safe! Why would anyone not to? I have NO CLUE! The only two things I can think of are laziness and fear/unwillingness to be ‘confused by facts’.
yulia.

PS. To answer your question Ari, yes, I do read all the links I have. Some (especially studies) carefully, some briefly and some I just glance. I wish I had more time to carefully read everything I run across; I don’t.
With two little kids I don’t have much spare time left. And vaccines is not the only thing I’m passionate about (or just interested in), as you may know. There are many others, some have nothing to do with kids/babies at all. Balance is the key and I do the best I can (with the time I have) to learn, to stay updated and to educate others and encourage them to do their own research because there can be just something out there that ‘they don’t know that they don’t know’…

Ari2

As for long discussions to proof you guys anything, I’ve wasted too much of my time already on people that don’t feel there is a need to spend 2+ hours to watch a movie where someone shares 26 YEARS of research on the subject for FREE!

There are 1000s of years' worth of research available on the internet. One could spend days reading abstracts about vaxes on PubMed alone. The information in the video did not include any supporting, published material. It was not peer-reviewed. And it was inefficient - I tried watching, Yulia, but there's a lot of extraneous information and charts that are impossible to read. It was not presented in a time-efficient manner.

Even if you do believe that vaccines are safe, how is it possible to not be interested to watch it just in CASE, since your child’s health or perhaps even life might be on the picture?! I don’t get people like that, never will!

I do examine the safety and efficacy of vaxes. But I wouldn't rely on a web video that lacks any supporting, published documentation.

I’m trying to understand your logic guys, I really do, but fail every time! I am trying to put myself in your shoes, imagining that someone tells me there is a 2+ hour movie where a person with 26 years of research give a lecture about let's say, dangers of broccoli (which I truly believe to be not just safe, but also healthy). I’d still thought to myself that there still can be something about the broccoli that I 'don’t know that I don’t know', otherwise I doubt someone would dedicate his life researching it and giving lectures (while not being paid for that). SO, no matter how much I would believe that broccoli is safe and healthy, I still would ABSOLUTELY watch the movie as soon as I could and just in case I wouldn’t give my kids any broccoli that day, until I actually watch what this person with 26 years of research has to say! Would I believe the movie? Maybe yes, maybe not, but I would definitely watch it with open mind and do some more research afterwards to be absolutely sure that I’m making a right and informed choice for my kids. How many of us thought that soy is good, aster all?!

By this logic, your task would never end. There are tons about vaxes, immunology, and microbiology that everyone doesn't know and "doesn't know they don't know". And there are tons of information available - PubMed, the CDC, and the rest of the net. It is a matter of deciding where to spend one's time.

Now, that’s just broccoli, a single veggie. And we aren’t talking about veggies here. But rather about a cocktail of the worst neurotoxins/toxins our planet has known! And all this is being injected directly into developing fragile life! You can bet your life I’d watch this movie even if I thought that vaccines are safe! Why would anyone not to? I have NO CLUE! The only two things I can think of are laziness and fear/unwillingness to be ‘confused by facts’.
yulia.

I doubt most people here who decided not watch all 2.5 hours of the video did so because they are lazy or afraid.

PS. To answer your question Ari, yes, I do read all the links I have. Some (especially studies) carefully, some briefly and some I just glance. I wish I had more time to carefully read everything I run across; I don’t.
With two little kids I don’t have much spare time left. And vaccines is not the only thing I’m passionate about (or just interested in), as you may know. There are many others, some have nothing to do with kids/babies at all. Balance is the key and I do the best I can (with the time I have) to learn, to stay updated and to educate others and encourage them to do their own research because there can be just something out there that ‘they don’t know that they don’t know’…

Everyone searches for balance. Part of that is deciding what sources and presentations (e.g., video, abstracts, articles) are worth the time. To me, the video you linked to wasn't worth the time. There are sources with documentation, that have gone through a review process, and are much more concise than this video.

If you are trying to understand, please understand this: If someone rejects part of your information, it may not be out of fear or laziness. And you have, to me, done yourself a disservice in the past by linking or cutting-and-pasting gigantic amounts of information presented in the most biased and extreme manner possible. This includes information that has been repeatedly discredited or has never been able to be proved. It makes me less willing to invest 2.5 hours in an unsupported video (although I tried) than had you been able to present a more balanced and coherent picture to start with.

But I do appreciate the reply, Yulia. I would have a more thoughtful response if I had more time, but I have to get offline.

yulia

just too funny! a very short video on home made flu vaccine!

YouTube - Eye On The Flu Shot the ingredients...

musicmom

yulia

Yes, please, I’d really appreciate it! I’d love to take a look at the data of children who died due to being not vaccinated against flu! Just please make sure they are indeed unvaccinated, which means their immune system is not messed up by vaccines and therefore, capable of fighting illnesses the way it should.

And yes, I do find this movie very funny; I think it’s an excellent way to raise awareness!

yulia

A very interesting link I just ran across
http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/?p=16