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04-27-2008, 11:56 AM
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Children: A one year old boy, Eli. | "Elimination Communication" | | I've known about this for a while, but I just saw it mentioned in another thread and I thought I would bring it up as a topic in a new one. It's interesting to me.
If you don't know what it is, basically the idea behind is that you can "potty train" a baby from as young as 6 months old. How it pretty much works is, you let your child romp around with a bare bottom and when you THINK they're getting ready to go to the bathroom, you get up and grab them and try to run them to the toilet. That's how you start off "training" them. After that I guess you put underwear on them and...good luck when you guys go out.
I'm not trying to bad talk this, although I don't personally think it's a great idea, I have read about it actually working for a lot of people. Matter of fact, my grandma did it with my Aunt, or in a way. She swears it was amazing! But I've read a lot of things on it too, being VERY frustrating for both a mother and a little baby. Also, doing it this way eliminates letting the child figure it out for themselves and being proud of accomplishing something, as in making it to the potty, when they're older.
Do any of you parents out there do this (or did do it) with your children or did you try it and can share some personal first hand experience?
In MY opinion, I find it unfair to a baby that doesn't understand. What's YOUR opinion? Is it wrong? Right? Fair? Unfair? Does it make sense? Let's talk about it. 
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04-27-2008, 12:03 PM
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Children: Luke James Hunt: 28 months old | Re: "Elimination Communication" | | 6 months old is ridiculous. I find it hard to believe when some moms say that their child was totally potty trained no diapers at 12 months old. EVERY CHILD IS DIFFERENT!
You can't expect a child at 6 months to have control over their bladders, or the feeling that they "have to go". Its just not developed yet in the brain.
I really think its unfair to the child, and it would be extremly frustrating for a mom who would ahve to have a constant eye on her child to make sure she/he isn't taking a crunch on the new carpet, or peeing on the cat. its just not worth it to me. Diapers until they are ready.
For instance, luke will be 2 at the end of june. I brought out his potty, and he knows what it is, and will sit on it but wont pee or poop. It got to a point where he would cry when he saw it. So i put it away, and i'm not going to bring it out until his next birthday.
I want to hear from the almighty Yulia and hear of her massive sucess rate with this (and i'm sure there will be....) because to me, like i said before, there are more things in life to be frustrated about then what a simple diaper (cloth or disposable) can do. |
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04-27-2008, 12:12 PM
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Children: A one year old boy, Eli. | Re: "Elimination Communication" | | Awesome points...that's kind of the way I feel about it. I've heard of people trying to force their babies to stay babies for as long as possible, but this is like never giving them the chance to be babies in the first place!
But the people that do this would argue that parents that diaper their children are just being lazy and ignore their child's needs to go to the bathroom and just let them sit around in their own waste.
- That's something I read, just to keep the argument up.
However, I suppose that might be true with pee unless you consider how nice diapers are about keeping baby bottoms dry these days, but I always know immediately after Eli poops and I have it off of his butt so fast I would never consider him sitting in it.
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04-27-2008, 12:15 PM
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Children: Luke James Hunt: 28 months old | Re: "Elimination Communication" | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Xero
But the people that do this would argue that parents that diaper their children are just being lazy and ignore their child's needs to go to the bathroom and just let them sit around in their own waste.
- That's something I read, just to keep the argument up. | LOL right....laziness. So those who would argue that don't really understand how many diapers we change in a day! And who in their right mind would leave a dirty diaper on a child??? |
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04-27-2008, 12:15 PM
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Children: A one year old boy, Eli. | Re: "Elimination Communication" | | And next thing you know, you'd miss him peeing and he'd be playing in it! The germs involved in that are just a horrific thought lol. Seriously, Eli can spit up and before I even get across the room to clean it up his hands are in it and he's smearing it around. 
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04-27-2008, 12:16 PM
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Children: A one year old boy, Eli. | Re: "Elimination Communication" | | Quote:
Originally Posted by meow_173 LOL right....laziness. So those who would argue that don't really understand how many diapers we change in a day! And who in their right mind would leave a dirty diaper on a child??? | Oh yeah! See I didn't even think of the idea of how many diapers I change a day.
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04-27-2008, 01:45 PM
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Children: 1 3-year-old boy | Re: "Elimination Communication" | | I've read in other cultures where diapers are not a major factor (3rd world, often African) the children often learn to eliminate in an appropriate place around that time. I don't know.... I'm not ready to discount it as impossible, or even damaging - but I don't really think it's too effective within our own society and culture..
My experience was much like Meow's. R thought the potty was wonderful at first, and loved to sit on it. Then he had teh same reax as her son - crying at the sight. I put it where it was still visable if he wanted it, but not in his face. Moved it more prominently just after his 3rd bday.
He started going a few weeks later (chose to sit on the regular instead of the little) - and there was almost no training involved. We started putting him in underpants each evening, and then all day. A few little leaks at first, but even that only lasted a week or two also. Instead of being pushed, he was ready. He even slept for the first time in underwear last night (unintentional) and kept them dry.
Defecation is a bit more of a challenge for him - last evening was also the first time he realized he had to do it and took care of all it in the toilet... hope he continues that, because I HATE cleaning dirty underwear.
Ironically, I was avoiding the potty training just because of the nightmare I was expecting. Guess being lazy paid off!
He's not perfect. He was urine accident free for a week - then spent wkend at his dad's. It then took a week to get him back on track.. even wet himself THREE times one day (I was so irritated!). He seems back on course again - accident free for couple days, so I should have a clean week before he goes back there and get thrown off course again (*sigh*) |
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04-27-2008, 01:46 PM
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Children: Taylor, Kylee, Emylee, Kenna | Re: "Elimination Communication" | | I am with you two on this. It seems so crazy to try and "potty train" at 6 months. So will the baby crawl to the toilet and go on their own? Potty trained is when a child will go on the toilet without being told or reminded. How is this possible at 6 months? When I potty trained my first I read alot on how to go about doing it. The first thing I read was about how their muscles had to develop and I do not see those muscles there at 6 months.
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04-27-2008, 01:51 PM
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Children: Taylor, Kylee, Emylee, Kenna | Re: "Elimination Communication" | | [quote=budnkota;48121]
Defecation is a bit more of a challenge for him - last evening was also the first time he realized he had to do it and took care of all it in the toilet... hope he continues that, because I HATE cleaning dirty underwear.
Ironically, I was avoiding the potty training just because of the nightmare I was expecting. Guess being lazy paid off!quote]
I do not know what it is but for some reason kids just have trouble with this. My 2 1/2 yr. old who has just gotten potty trained said for the longest time it was just too hard to do it on the potty. A little girl I babysit, who's 3, tells me her poop is sleeping and not ready to come out, lol. I asked her mom about it and she has no idea where that came from. We thought it was hilarious.
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04-27-2008, 02:35 PM
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Children: Nichole | Re: "Elimination Communication" | | Well I have talked to many parents who have EC'ed/ it was not stressful, just a lot of work for the parents themselves/ It works though fo rmany children. And they don't typically start off with no diapers. HTey just take the babies to the potty every hour or so and make a sound (typically) That triggers to the child it is time to go. Usually if done from the beginning, the child no longer needs diapers for most occassions.
I personally would not do it, because I don't want to take them ever hour to the bathroom for 18 months or 2 years or whatever. However to each is own. It does not force the child to grow up any quicker, its just about there being other ways of doing things |
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