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musicmom · 05-17-2008, 04:00 PM

I think "religious" people only believe what they are taught. I am a Christian and I have read the bible for myself, I have researched what it says about two men lying together. As I've said before it is not a sin per se. It was only looked at bad because two men could not have a child. Now it's 2008 and men/woman couples have found a way to procreate. Christianity does not teach to hate. It does not say that two people can not love each other.
I loved my female best friend with everything in my heart. I was not gay.
I've also played around with woman and I'm still not gay and I do not think I am going to hell.
Jesus hung out with 12 men and it even says in the bible he LOVED them.
Just because you put a sexual act in the mix does not make a difference. Two men that lie together can NOW have children biologically. The disciples are not crawling back out of the grave to change the bible anytime soon.
So if we want to be "god like" then the one's who call themselves Christian need to learn to love everyone as Jesus did and not cast a stone. None of us are perfect.
A man made law on the act of marriage can and should be changed or this world is going to stay stagnet.

Kaytee · 05-17-2008, 04:01 PM

ok so everyone have the circ out of hteir heads now? Good no more mentioning it or I will delete all posts that are OT

jgomez65 · 05-17-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by budnkota

you are absolutely right! Heck, we's plannin' a lynchin' this weekend...

please. it takes time and a lot of protest, but eventually it does become accepted. Mississippi Burning? Great example of what used to happen. Remember the Titans... Ruby Bridges...
Birth of a Nation was the first full-length film was a horribly racist film. Know what the president said after seeing it? Something about it was like seeing history written in lightning. To him, this misogynistic film was an accurate portrayal of the world. nobody would feel that way now.

People WERE tortured, viciously killed because they were of a different skin color or fought for the rights of those with different skin color. It was only a decade or so ago that Alabama finally put an end to a law banning interracial marriage!

Now interracial couples are pretty much accepted. Haven't heard of any getting killed for their relationship lately. That wouldn't have been the case not too long ago. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner was pretty controversial when it came out. People were appalled. Nobody would give it a second thought now. (edit to add: as a matter of fact, that Ashton Kutcher film was based off the original 'Guess Who...", and nobody blinked when it came out.

Some day, people will be looking back on this debate with the same awe that this was ever an issue. Love is far too rare in this world, and should be respected regardless of the genders involved.

It seems to me like you watch the world through the glasses of film. If that is the case, pick a better glass. Each movie that comes out seves the interest of the director, the producers and the studios.

.:Kalli Rae:. · 05-18-2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hwnorth

Adam and Eve .. Adam and Steve ... I could give a rats ass ... be productive members of society. Contribute to a better world is more important than gender judgment

I agree.

Music-dad · 05-18-2008, 08:40 AM

I have to initiate the "ice cream" theory here.

(some like chocolate, some like vanilla, some like strawberry)
Who am I to dictate, what type someone should like.

jgomez65 · 05-18-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ari2

A hippie commune and a family with married same-sex parents are are not the same thing. It is a false comparison.

Do you have any real evidence backing up the claim that kids in families without clear roles of "mother" and "father" have a hard time adjusting? This is a harsh claim against families that do not fit the traditional design. The studies that I have read have not found this to be true at all. Here is a example:

Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents, Current Directions in Psychological Science 15 (5) , 241–244, Oct. 2006

Does parental sexual orientation affect child development, and if so, how? Studies using convenience samples, studies using samples drawn from known populations, and studies based on samples that are representative of larger populations all converge on similar conclusions. More than two decades of research has failed to reveal important differences in the adjustment or development of children or adolescents reared by same-sex couples compared to those reared by other-sex couples. Results of the research suggest that qualities of family relationships are more tightly linked with child outcomes than is parental sexual orientation.

I was especifically talking about those kids who grew up on communal living arragements

Trina · 05-18-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Music-dad

I have to initiate the "ice cream" theory here.

(some like chocolate, some like vanilla, some like strawberry)
Who am I to dictate, what type someone should like.

I agree.

Personally, I'd rather see kids raised by a loving gay couple than by abusive heterosexual parents.

hwnorth · 05-18-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Music-dad

I have to initiate the "ice cream" theory here.

(some like chocolate, some like vanilla, some like strawberry)
Who am I to dictate, what type someone should like.

I tried Neapolitan once ... but uh ...I was drunk...and uh..didnt like it ... ya .. thats it

budnkota · 05-18-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaytee

I do not see how you could be happy with someone you are not physically or emotionally attracted too. That doesn't make sense to me. Sure you could love someone you were not attracted to, but it would be like having sex with a brother.

I agree. We go around telling our children to "be themselves." I't unfortunate if that has become an empty platitude. Especially if you are marrying just to "fit in." That's like having a life-long roommate.

I can see how that would be workable as your husband is aware of the situation. I totally respect that you aren't hiding it from him. I know there were times when the love of my life would want to be intimate, and the very thought would make me gag b/c of the kind of day I was having... if I were trying to maintain a sexual relationship with somebody I wasn't attracted to, it'd be extremely difficult. If the tables were turned and only lesbian relationships were "acceptable," I couldn't do it. I simply could not force myself to even kiss a woman, much less go any further. Is it exremely difficult at times?

Just like with everybody else, there are studies of twins and other children who were raised in different environments and STILL turned out to be gay. Which indicates there may very well be a genetic factor involved. And, as I said before, the fact that this exists in the animal world indicates the same. A low-level mammal doesn't have the cognitive functioning to say "hey - I think I'm gonna shack up with Lucy today. Those ear ribbons really do it for me" They are going on what is instinctual to them. What feels natural. To me, the only unnatural thing about homosexuality is suppressing yourself to fit somebody else's model.

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