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jtee · 03-28-2008, 01:08 PM

While my wife and I have very different type of marriage than Teresa, I do respect Teresa's choice because it makes their marriage work and Teresa seems quite happy to be in a submissive wife. My wife couldn't be that way, and I wouldn't want her to be.

I have known several married couples that have unique relationships that if describe on paper so-to-speak, would never work, but it does, and works extremely well for them. Outsides say "That's just crazy", but from my perspective, if it works for that couple (setting aside legal and abuse issues), then I support their lifestyle. I know of a married couple that live in separate homes (kids are grown) a couple of miles apart. It seems strange, but it works for them.

hwnorth · 03-28-2008, 01:15 PM

Exodus 22:16 - 17, "If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged, and lies with her, he must pay a dowry for her to be his wife. If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the dowry for virgins."

Deuteronomy 22:28 - 29, "If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days."

So, translation of the Christian Bible differs .. many say the old testament is wrong and the new testament is right ... so was the first one just practice or were they just kidding?

Google the song "Keep your Jesus off my Penis" ...

NO ONE has the right to judge, gay, straight, black, white... we all have the freedom to be who we choose... and although you may want to follow some ancient holy book that no one knows the TRUE translation .. dont pass your judgment on to others.

Theres a bible out there there that says blond hair, blue eyes anglo ... all others should die .... should we follow that too ??

gr8mom · 03-28-2008, 01:44 PM

The old testament passage you quoted does not state that premarital sex is okay or not a sin. I think it's playing pretty fast and loose with scripture to say that the old testament condones premarital sex. That being said it is not up to me to judge anyone else only our Creator can judge, since he alone is without sin.

John 8:7, Mathew 7:1-5

hwnorth · 03-28-2008, 03:58 PM

Let me sum it up with a few lines of a song ...

So you’re screaming bloody murder
'Bout the taliban regime
For subjugating women
And being too extreme
And basing legislation
On some ancient holy book
Does that sound a bit familiar?
Here's a mirror, have a look

And as for the ten commandments
They need one more at least
Thou shall never cover up
The acts of pervert priests

So you'll execute a person
And protect a single cell
But mercy-kill the terminally ill
And you're goin' straight to hell
I don't know much about
The word of God
Far be it from me
But I can tell you what it ain't
Hypochristianity

I am not anti-Christian
Before you grab a rope
There is beauty in religion
And joy and love and hope
We're all looking for an answer
Some colossal cosmic cause
But who the f#ck are you
To turn your views into my laws?

It's just believers in the bible
That would have abortion banned
Anti-choice agnostics?
I could count’em on one hand

And as for killing babies
I have but one retort
If someone raped your daughter George
You'd beg her to abort

And if some young girl from your church
Shows up with child or some infection
‘Cuz you taught her what a horrid sin
It was to use protection
One day you'll face the pearly gates
And whatchu gonna say
When that long-haired Jewish peacenick
Sends your ass the other way sayin’

hwnorth · 03-28-2008, 04:46 PM

Jesus completed the old testament law by bringing infusing it with love. Look at the Sermon on the Mount we've been reading. At each point Jesus says the important thing is love.

Jesus is recorded as having given hundreds of instructions covering behavior and thought; but none of these dealt with homosexuality. Jesus concentrated on a person's interactions with God and his fellow humans. He did tell the woman who committed adultery to go and sin no more. But that was the only time he is known to have commented on sexual morality. Jesus may have felt that homosexuality was not a matter worth commenting upon.

How about the Hebrew Scriptures ?

Genesis 19 describes the destruction of Sodom, which has been attributed to the homosexuality of its citizens; the men may have wanted to rape the (male) angels. Actually, the text at this point is ambiguous; the original Hebrew word sometimes referred to sexual activity although it usually meant "to know" in a literal sense. But a careful reading of Genesis and Ezekiel reveals that inhospitality, pride, idol worship, and lack of consideration for the poor were their prime sins. If homosexuality was involved, it was obviously not consensual sexual activity; it was rape. So we can safely conclude that Sodom was destroyed because of the sins of its citizens which included their habit of raping visitors. Judges 19 seems to be a duplicate of the Genesis story

Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 appears to condemn male homosexual behavior, but in fact only refers to temple prostitution. Even if it did refer to lesbian and gay relationships, it would not be applicable to Christians today, any more than are the other 613 laws which make up the Jewish Holiness Code. It is less than genuine for a Christian teleminister or theologian to imply that these verses are still valid for the beliefs and conduct of Christians, while stating that the remaining laws of the Holiness Code are not applicable

Interesting what a bit of research will dig up. This is not to be offensive to anyones faith .. we are all entitled to our own... but it is meant to make a point that things aren't always so ... "just because I was told it was so" ... which is how I feel about a lot of religious law

etceterae · 03-29-2008, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivybendorf

I am going to make a few statements here and then be done. Homosexuality is a very common thing among higher mammals, not just humans. Pedophilia and bestiality (or interspecies, as it may be) are NOT present in the animal kingdom whatsoever. So, that being said, it is safe to assume pedophilia and interspecies are illnesses, NOT natural urges, and I refuse to listen to the being compared.

Interspecies reproduction occurs. Tigers and lions can have babies, as well as a variety of other animals.

ivybendorf · 03-29-2008, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etceterae

Interspecies reproduction occurs. Tigers and lions can have babies, as well as a variety of other animals.

A) Tigers and lions do not share territory in the wild and never meet.

B) Ligers and other crosses, such as mules, are only created when the parents are placed in a human controlled, unnatural environment like a corral or a zoo.

Basically, interspecies matings do occur, but only because Man made it so.

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