Reading, Reading and more Reading...

IADad

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So, DS1 is 8, almost 9, and has struggled with reading. He's reading at just below grade level and has been advancing on a relative pace with his grade levels, but not catching up. He's been doing resource reading for two years (starting second sememster 1st grade) and he reads to us every night. He is an excellent speller, but only because he is greaat at memorizing. He can spell his entire spelling list correctly but then not be able to read back some of the words to you, and we find that kind of perplexing and almost disturbing.

We're trying to remain patient, we think his classroom teacher and reading teacher are doing a good job, BUT we're not thoroughly convince that there isn't something ther that is beyond their expertise. We realize how important reading is to learning and he's starting to feel the stigma of having to go to resource reading, so we'd really like to get him over the hump. Oh, and the other thing he will do is insert words that aren't there or replace words for the ones that are there (i.e. read an "a," intead of "the," which we think may be focus/attention related.) He also still flips his d's and b's on occasion. Sometimes we'll catch him trying to start a word with a sound from the end of the word...all of this leads us the think there's something more to solving his learning issues than just more practice and familiarity/comfort.

We're contemplating checking out one of those national education chains (he said without naming any names) is offering free evaluation, and we're a fair bit skeptical, because we think no matter what kid you bring in they're going to find something to recommend they can "help" with and then if we don't spring for their services, we feel like bad parents...

thoughts? Ideas? Help us through this minefield. Anybody used one of these places before, what was your experience?
 

mom2many

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Have you had him tested or any learning disabilities? The d/b thing isn't so unusual as Cole still does it. But I am reading somethings that lead me to think it is more then just a child struggling. Sounds very similar to my sister and she ended up having dyslexia, which wasn't discovered until she was dang near an adult.
 

IADad

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mom2many said:
Have you had him tested or any learning disabilities? The d/b thing isn't so unusual as Cole still does it. But I am reading somethings that lead me to think it is more then just a child struggling. Sounds very similar to my sister and she ended up having dyslexia, which wasn't discovered until she was dang near an adult.

well that's kind of the thing, somethings kind of point to attention issues and some might point to something like dyslexia, but we've been keeping regular contact with his resource teacher and she hasn't made that recommendation, so we're wlking kind of a tightrope, do you trust the professional or seek out another opinion, and where to go for that testing...He goes to private school, but they have resources available through the AEA system (they do stuff like vision and hearing screening, couneling, library resources etc, just like they do for the public schools) so I'd think they'd do something. I'm just not sure where to turn or how fast to turn.
 

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Resource teachers are great! But not all resource teachers have the right training to really see a learning disability. Don't get me wrong, they usually have specialty training and can pin point some of the obvious things, but that is about it.

Most schools, even private, by law have to offer further testing if the parent requests it. While I get that you respect his resource teacher, this isn't about her or you, it's about your little guys future and the sooner you have things ruled out, or figured out the sooner he can get the proper help he needs. You won't regret getting him tested. You might regret not getting him tested KWIM?
 

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I'd say this realy sounds like dislexia...

I'm a primery school teacher, I had to learn much about the sings.

not being able to spell backwords could be becaus it ends up as no real word.

how is he with capital writing?

I can't say it is, but I'd advice to get him tested cause som attantion issue could come from dislexia, if he is startet to get frustraded. He might do everything and regognises it helps allmost nothing.
 

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As everyone has said, it'd be good to get a diagnosis and then some more specialised treatment for him. A speech pathologist who has additional trianing in literacy problems could be a good start.
Aussie Barb - Speech Pathologist, Sydney
 

kathywhite

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My suggestion is more about keeping calm and centred in yourself as you go about helping your son. Trust you will find the right person, help will be there for you. Meanwhile if you can just relax and be okay with where he is, how he is and what he reads like right now. Starting from a place where you trust he's doing fine, and the help he needs will come your way, and sounds like you are making the right steps to get that help, then just be with him. Make it okay for him that he reads the way he does. Perfect. In the school system my child is in (Waldorf Steiner) a child reads when they read. There's nothing to say when. I know a 10 year old who couldn't read at all, who went to our school and his parents and teachers just supported him to go at his own pace who is now a Medical Doctor. Loving support and unhurried encouragement Work for me...

Kathy
 

MomoJA

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First, I'd always trust the parent's instincts. Do what you think is best.

It does sound like possible dyslexia, but it could be any number of things, including that he missed out on a particular concept early on. I don't know what they are doing in his resource reading class, but hopefully they are addressing all the basics.

Those chains actually do know what they are doing, and they are generally pretty good at building confidence as well as skills.

Good luck.
 

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I don't know how I missed this thread.

Mixing up B's and D's is quite common, as is mixing P's and Q's, in a young children a lot of normal things are often misdiagnosed as dyslexia, which is why it seems like so many children do have dyslexia, really you can't actually determine if someone does have it until they are around 11+ as they need to determine a true writing style and maturity.

Where his spelling is concerned don't let him have the spelling sheet, a word is simply a picture so it is a lot easier to just remember what it looks like. Keep the list yourself and sit him down and read the words aloud so he can write down how he thinks they are spelt, then if some are correct help him write it properly, but again, don't like him keep the corrections. You can do it by him spelling out aloud as well.

You can get him to write more stories as well, he isn't necessarily less likely to make mistakes, but it makes it easier to determine exactly how he struggles with reading and writing.
 

MomoJA

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Jeremy+3 is right. Most people think dyslexia is about transposing letters, or writing them backwards, etc. But really, many dyslexics don't do that while some non-dyslexics do. However, other things you mentioned, like adding words or leaving them out, and not being able to read words he can spell might be a little more symptomatic. Again, though, these are not necessarily symptoms of dyslexia. Yet, there does seem to be some reading issue, and he is probably pretty stressed about it even if he doesn't show it, or will become so as his classmates continue to move ahead, so you are right to address it and give him every weapon in the arsenal. As I said before, these chain places are pretty good at targeting specific weaknesses and teaching strategies.

If, however, he continues to have reading issues throughout his life, you'll want to really counsel him about his strengths and teach him to accept his issues without letting them become an excuse. There are really effective strategies for people with reading disabilities and tons of information out there about extremely intelligent and extremely successful people with the same or similar issues.
 

IADad

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Thanks everyone.

I knew that the mixing Ds and Bs wasn't necessarily the smoking gun, just added it as potentially part of the puzzle.

Jeremy, when doing spelling, we do it a variety of ways - With him copying his speliing list (my least preferred practice) with me reciting them to him and him writing them, and with me reciting them and him spelling them verbally back to me. Which he usually does quite successfully.

The most disturbing/perplexing part of his reading is when he will attampe to sound out words and insert letters and letter combinations (sometimes pultiple ones per word) that aren't even there. That and when he replaces on "little word" for another.

I think we are going to circle back with his teachers, see what their view of things is now, see about other evluation tools that can be brought into play. If they want to "stay the course" then I think we'll look into seeking our sme resoures through the local University's speech pathology department, and then if they don't turn up anything particular, we'll go the route of looking into a learning center.

He's a very bright, sociable, articulate kid, we don'tt want being a slow reader to affect his learning or his view of himself.
 

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I've got a few suggestions, one we use with Cole and it seems to make a huge difference with him. One is taking a piece of paper, or when it involves reading a sheet of home work, a manila folder and breaking them down into smaller sections, 1/3 or 1/4. Let's see if I can explain it, basically the idea is that you open one section at a time so that the amount of reading visable is small. As you progress you open the next section and close the top section. We found that sometimes Cole is over whelmed by the amount of reading there is and that when he does he tends to focus on that and not on where he is at in the story. With this technique he doesn't focus on the amount and has an easier time focusing on just the immediate task.

Also another thought if it could be along the lines of Dylexia, is to take green, blue and red cellophane paper, I think that's it, it's plastic like and see through. Place it (one at a time) over the reading material and see if that helps. Dyslexia and some reading issues are sometimes "color" associated. I can not remember the who, what where and whys just that it does work and for my sister blue helps.

Just a few extra thoughts...
 

IADad

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thanks M2M some interesting stuff to try. He never minds sitting down to read, but I do sometimes feel he gets distracted and may look around the other page etc. Isolating may help.

Jeremy - writing stories is a great idea. I actually encouraged him to do so, and I need to work with him on how to do it on him computer as well.

One question about writing stories - would you just let him free write, or should I correct spelling etc...That's partially why I'd like him to start using the computer, because it will correct his spelling, rather than ME. That way it's a machine working for him, rather than me potentially being critical of him. I wonder if spell check could be frustrating if he doesn't get even close to a word.

The other thing is he's a pretty creative person. We made a little book together once, and he drew pictures that we scanned and put in, so I could see him doing that. Right now whenever he wants to make a sign or poster he does it all on paper, I'd like him to start using some of the electronic tools at his disposal. I think he'd be eager to do more, if he felt comfortable using the tools.