I am the opposite...short of nephews and such. I have only seen uncirc'd.cybele said:
That is hysterical though!!
Circumcision ban?...
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That is hysterical though!!
Me either and I pride myself on being able to find stuff....every college friend I have/know comes to me to help with research. I like the challenge of it.teenage_parent said:
I think there is a bit of a time lag. Parent's think circumcism is common because it was more common when they grew up. The rate has been dropping since the American Academy of Pediatricians stopped supporting it in 1999, particularly among the more educated.
I don't think there is much evidence that uncircumsized guys are embarassed these days, even less likely for today's newborns.
And, there are circumsized guys who get upset that their genitals have been mutilated against their will by their parents. So perhaps Parents should worry about that. Some guys even get reconstructive surgery.
In searching around I only found one direct report where someone made fun of a uncircumsized kid. It was a mother in law making fun of a newborn.
I don't think there is much evidence that uncircumsized guys are embarassed these days, even less likely for today's newborns.
And, there are circumsized guys who get upset that their genitals have been mutilated against their will by their parents. So perhaps Parents should worry about that. Some guys even get reconstructive surgery.
In searching around I only found one direct report where someone made fun of a uncircumsized kid. It was a mother in law making fun of a newborn.
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Sorry about this, I found the PDF published on the web and arranged my links in the original message.teenage_parent said:
Here they are again here.
To my knowledge, MOST of what's published (like 99% of it) is not available to the public for free. They are published in peer reviewed journal and require an access to it through a university account. Most of what we hear in the media are newspaper articles <I>about</I> the research papers, as they are published, IF they make the news (very few do).teenage_parent said:
Do you search using google scholar? I typed "physiological circumcision" in google scholar and came up with quite a few interesting read...
Here is a physiological study on the loss of sensitivity to the penis in circumcised men vs non-circumcised men, due to the loss of nerves ending: Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penisteenage_parent said:
Morris L. Sorrells, James L. Snyder, Mark D. Reiss, Christopher Eden, Marilyn F. Milos, Norma Wilcox and Robert S. Van Howe, 2006
I also found this one, but it .s more of a psychological one, which addresses the pain aspect and the religious / motivational aspect of the trauma.
I think this paper shows some of the alleged benefits, not sure.teenage_parent said:
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I lived in the UK until about 12 years ago, and I'd never heard of circumcision being used in any situation than for religious reasons. When I went to pre-natal classes for my first kid (in Canada), the nurse asked whether people were considering circumcision. I was completely confused. I remember looking around and thinking that I didn't realize Canada had such a big Jewish population, and that no-one in the class looked Jewish. I was totally dumfounded to find out that this was done in Canada.
I think it's horrific, and a ban is a great idea.
I think it's horrific, and a ban is a great idea.
The US is one of the few countries that do it routinely. Even in Canada it is not the norm.csdax said:
Honestly if insurance quit paying for it, and state medical quit paying for it (as many have done) we would see the gap become even larger between those who do it and those who don't.
i have heard from parents that chose not to circumcise there boy and ended up regretting it later. trust me if you dont do it he will always be prone to infections and that will be a never ending battle.
Circumcision is subsidized in the US via Medicaid in all but 18 states:
http://www.circumcision.org/medicaid.htm
http://www.circumcision.org/medicaid.htm
yes cleaning well down there keeps infections away but im talking about children they aren't always as thorough when it comes to bathing especially boys at a young agecybele said:
Heard from, or heard of? Were they relating person experience, or were they repeating what they heard in order to justify circ'ing their son?afterburn25 said:
I just find it odd, because here it is very, very rare to circumcise an infant, unless you're Jewish or Muslim. And I've never heard of boys who struggle with infections. Me, I've gone more than 40 years as the proud owner of a foreskin, and without any infections, even though I wasn't very good with personal hygiene when I was young.
Besides, if it was so bad that they had so many regrets about not circumcising him, why didn't they just take him in to the hospital to get it done? Its not like there is an expiration date on it...
In my 40 years, living among men of whom the vast majority is uncirc'ed, I have never, ever heard anyone say "I wish I was circumcised". Nope. Whenever the topic comes up, my friends are more likely to cross their legs protectively, or look for the nearest escape route
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@teenage_parent - Do you really need conclusive proof that it is harmful? Would lack of conclusive proof that it is necessary not suffice? After all - this is an irreversible surgical procedure, with all the risks of infection and complications that come with even the most routine surgery. Why submit a boy to that if it isn't necessary?
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That's why parents usually bathe young children, or supervise at least.afterburn25 said:
If I left my 4yr old in the bath to bathe himself, there wouldn't be much bathing going on, just a lot of making bubbles by farting and swishing legs around to make 'tidalwaves'. That's why either me or my husband have to be in there, or in the general area of the bathroom going "under your arms" "don't forget your soap" "don't forget your neck" "don't put the sponge in your mouth" "don't forget to clean your penis" "You have two sides and your back is still bone dry" and so on.
It's really a non-issue. My 15yr old is also un-circed and we never has a problem with him not cleaning himself properly or infections. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the hygiene issue was a problem way back when bathing was not an everyday occurrence, and people would only bathe a handful of times a year. Nowadays, we tend to bathe much more often, so it is easier to maintain a standard of hygiene that will not cause infections.
When a child isn't capable of cleaning themselves properly the parent must do it, that is neglect on the parents part.afterburn25 said:
Care to explain why skin infections in mens genitals and UTI's have the lowest rates in countries where circumcision is rare, such as Northern Ireland?afterburn25 said:
Men who are circumcised are at a greater risk of both skin infection and UTI's than men who are not circumcised, because not only is the scar tissue unnaturally dry and so prone to very small cracks, not all of the foreskin is removed during circumcision a small piece remains, but due to the scar tissue on it is far tighter than normal foreskin and much harder to clean under, in children especially as often you can only get a cotton bud under the foreskin.
Where as in those who haven't been circumcised all you do is pull the foreskin back and rinse the area with water, once the skin is detached from the penis, normally once the child hits puberty, they only tend to detach before then when parents think its a really good idea to pull them about. Under the foreskin there is mass immune activity going on, so any bacteria is quickly dealt with, which is why UTI's are rare in men who have not been circumcised.
You might want to look at the elderly population, during WWI and WWII men were routinely circumcised before service as they wouldn't have the facilities to wash while at war, after this in the UK there was a distinct increase in male UTI's both upper and lower and an increase in the number of surgeries being performed on the penis, it was found that almost all of these patients were circumcised, older men who are circumcised also have a greater chance of being incontinent as well, but so far no one is able to figure out why this happens.
No, the US is still one of a handful of countries that still does circ's routinely. The numbers are dropping, but that doesn't change the fact's. It's not misinformation. Yes, there are a few countries that do it more, but that's based on their religious beliefs. Not so true here in the US, many people still do it based off of old notions.tadamsmar said:
yes i do need conclusive proof because when i go into intelligent discussions (such as what i encounter in the forum), i want to be fully aware of all the facts or lack of it.singledad said:
take note that i am not just looking for proof on the harm of circumcision but also its benefits. i like forming my opinion/making a stand after i get the facts.
Ok, fair enough. As long as it isn't a matter of "prove that it's harmful or I'll do it to my future son"teenage_parent said:yes i do need conclusive proof because when i go into intelligent discussions (such as what i encounter in the forum), i want to be fully aware of all the facts or lack of it.
take note that i am not just looking for proof on the harm of circumcision but also its benefits. i like forming my opinion/making a stand after i get the facts.