You are being ganged up on!
They have figured it works. they are not stupid just as you said they are extremely smart and if they found something that works why stop?
Let me tell you have a problem and its going to be you need to quit reminding and let what ever happens to them happen. Unelss its a life and death situation. There is always someone out there who will point them being bad out to them and let me tell you coming from a stranger instead of mom is better.
My daughter is bugging me or throwing a fit. I point it to EVERYBODY! " hey look everyone my daughter here wants attention please look at her" It works on all ages. My three year old stands up holds my hands and walks like a big girl and my 11 year old she turns bright red and stops immediately usaully covering up her face.
Hwnorth- You sound like a love and logic parent too. that is awesome even if it comes naturally
Ohh man I just read this realized it comes across real harsh. i did mean it be that way.
A lil about me so you know where I am coming from. I use to be a yelling mom. Man oh man it got me no where and no ones habits changed.
My 11 year old she lies alot. it calmed down when she started getting more affection and less yelling. the lies stopped when she realized she was going to get yelled at anymore.
If i felt like I was going to yell I told her to go to her room until i thought of a consequence.
This gave me time to cool down and think of one. it aslo made her go to her room to worry.
Whatever her consequence was ( cleanign the bathroom, vacumming, washing dishes) She didnt get to eat till it was done. When she got to eat was her choice.
" you know what hunny your lying makes me feel really drained, I think in order for me to get my energy back up you should___________ so I can feel better"
Why should they make you feel better? hmm maybe you dont have the energy to do something they expect you to do for them. OOh did thy want to go to the movies, have ice cream or dessert, maybe go to a friends house ( ooh i am sorry but i can not trust you you cant go).
You are covered many things so we need a baby step. I am hoping the lying one is the one that bugs you the most.
These are just a few ideas.
OOh I forgot you can take them back to babysteps too. want to be a baby or make me feel like your a baby? do the you want this or this thing.
Milk or juice, blue shirt yellow shirt, you can do anything and everything with that. if they do not choose or pick something that is not option you pick one for them. ( only do two options you are willing to do)
While I am on the phone:
You may play in your room and make noise or wait her quietly till I am done and write your question down so you dont forget. Dont sit quietly they go to thier room.