Please help...sleeping issues...etc etc...

Sardis1969

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Long story short...
I've recently moved in with a woman who has a 3 1/2 year old son. I've had ALOT of experience with children, but never had any of my own. I lived with a friend once while waiting for my house to be built, he had four kids, I lived there for almost a year, and was very involved with every day family life. His kids were 3, 5, 8, and 10. So, there was a lot of variety (to say the least)!!

My issue: My GF's son is 3 1/2 and he won't sleep through the night. EVER. Since I've moved in he's slept through the night once. We had a glass of wine as celebration!! He doesn't nap during the day anymore, he goes to daycare daily and gets his buns run off there. We get him into bed by 7:30pm and hopefully he's asleep by 8pm. Every night, he wakes up crying (not real, just to get Mom's attention), he cries for Mommy. Last night it was because he wasn't covered up and wanted to be tucked in. It's always something small. The other night he had a bad dream. I think that this is a reason to go to his bed and comfort him, but I feel that otherwise, he should be sleeping through the night. He's fully potty trained, during the day, but at night he wears pull-ups. He knows when he has to pee, but I think that he pees in his pants just so he can get some attention.
I've tried to get involved and to help, but he wants no part of me going into his bedroom to help him. He wants Mommy. Ok, fair enough, I'm something new in his life. But I think that the real reason he wants Mommy is that she'll sit there and chat with him, I won't. I'll go in, ask what's wrong, solve the problem, and then go back to bed. This isn't good enough for him.
I hate to say it, but he's spoiled. When he calls, Mommy runs to his side. If he's watching TV and his drink is empty, he calls for Mom, and she runs to fill it. Is it just me or should he be going to Mom with his cup and asking for a refill? (this is only one example).
He won't sit down and eat. He eats less than any child I've ever seen. Mom has taken him to the doctor, doctor says "he's healthy, don't worry about it". I disagree. He's a little bundle of energy, and gets to eat whatever he wants. No what's placed in front of him. Is this right? Does he have an option? We aren't feeding him wierd food or anything...

Please help me, I'm used to getting a full nights sleep. I'm a mess without it. I know there will be nights when I/we will have to get up to help him with something, he's only a young boy, but this every night thing is killing me (and his Mom). Oh, and did I mention it's never only once a night? Usually twice, sometimes more.

I'm trying to convince Mom that I may know what I'm talking about, but she says "it's my child, I've raised him and I know him best". But I think that there are commom truths to raising a child, and running to his side every time he calls, day or night, is not right. It'll create a child who's dependant on those around him, not an independant individual.

I'm trying my best around here, I help everywhere I can. I didn't come into this relationship lightly. I knew it would require a new level of dedication to not only his Mom, but to the boy as well, and in turn, to both of them as a family. I Love them both very much, and he truly is an amazing child, but he's got his mother wrapped around his finger, and I don't know what to do about it.

Sorry to go on so long, this is all new to me, and I'm doing the best I can, but I really need some help here.

Signed:
Sleepy in Sardis...
 

Lissa

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Not everybody is going to agree with me here but I'll say it anyway. You need to let your child cry. If you keep answering him, he will keep playing this game with you. He cries because he knows you will respond and he wants your attention (which you give to him).
 

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I agree with Lissi.

It seems that you have another problem on your hands though. Mom won't bend on the spoiling. It's incredibly important that both parents are on the same page when I comes to parenting. You mention that you are trying to convince her that you may know what you are talking about, but have you tried backing it up with maybe a couple of parenting books?
 

Lissa

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We've already been through this a few times with Oliver. It's so hard to hear them cry, but they have to know that we are in control and they don't run the show. I can tell when he is crying because he's scared or not feeling good and I will definitely respond to that. I also can tell when he's trying to control me. I admit that once in awhile I give in because I can't stand to hear my baby boy cry. But most of the time I let him cry because he needs to learn that it's not play time - it's sleep time. Children are VERY smart. They know exactly what they're doing and they know exactly how to hit us right in the heart. It's so hard.

My advice would be to answer your son once, softly tell him it's bedtime, give him a kiss, and then don't answer him again after that.
 

Sardis1969

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Lissa: I agree with you, I think that after a couple of nights he'll get the picture and sleep (or sit) through it. It's just that he wakes up and INSTANTLY starts crying and that gets to her...

HappyMomma: I've not tried to back up my "knowledge" (as much as you can have, parenting is a constant learning experience) with books. To be honest I don't really believe in them. I'm gonna get flamed for that comment, but I think that parenting is at best "seat of the pants". Every day is a new experience, and every child is different. You have to do the best you can with the child you have. My Mother never had any books on how to raise me, and I turned out ok. I have proven to her that I have a knack with children, and that the do respond to me, and she only questions things in regards to the sleeping issue, most other things we agree on, or, she listens to my opinion on and we discuss the issue. (I'm a bit of a know it all, but I'm working on that!!!)
 

Lissa

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Sardis1969 said:
Lissa: I agree with you, I think that after a couple of nights he'll get the picture and sleep (or sit) through it. It's just that he wakes up and INSTANTLY starts crying and that gets to her...
She sounds a lot like me. It hurts to hear your baby cry. You might want to comfort her and tell her it's okay, distract her a bit. Better yet, give her some ear plugs. lol He's 3 1/2. He should be sleeping through the night. The good news is that they learn really quickly to get out of bad habits. If you stop answering him, the crying should stop in a few days.
 

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<r><FONT font="Arial"><s></s>Why have you even let yourself get into a situation like this?<e></e></FONT><br/>
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<FONT font="Arial"><s></s>You’re playing dad and husband when you aren’t even married…and to top it all off, your girlfriend is playing “I’m the mom” card on you. Here’s your first, of what could be many, instances where you get the raw end of the stick. No way in heck should you allow this to continue any further. <e></e></FONT><br/>
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<FONT font="Arial"><s></s>I’m a stepdad, and when I married my wife, her son was 2….and we had a long talk BEFORE moving in and marriage that I would have total parental control of my son as if he were my own. We got that clear from the beginning, and it hasn’t been a problem since. <e></e></FONT><br/>
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<FONT font="Arial"><s></s>Trust me when I say have a talk with your gf about this right now, or move on. The kid has 16 more years of parenting…what are you supposed to do…just sit back and watch her make dumb parenting decisions? No parent is perfect, they need to be a team.<e></e></FONT><br/>
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<FONT font="Arial"><s></s>As for the actual situation – Lissa is right. Kids do this for attention, and as long as they are getting it…there is absolutely no reason for them to stop. You can’t even be mad at the kid…you need to be mad at the mom. <e></e></FONT><br/>
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<FONT font="Arial"><s></s>If mom won’t stop going to him at night…well…you can leave or shut up, because nothing will change. Lol <e></e></FONT><br/>
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<FONT font="Arial"><s></s>Btw – I think it sucks you moved in the family when you’re not married. If you leave, the kids get screwed…not to mention you’re teaching them it’s okay for love and relationships to be casual.<e></e></FONT></r>
 

Lissa

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Yikes. Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the couch this morning. :yikes:
 

Sardis1969

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Lissa said:
Yikes. Looks like someone woke up on the wrong side of the couch this morning. :yikes:

LOL...I've gotta say that Fooser has put a blunt edge on this, but I believe his point is correct. I'm here, and they both have to accept that I'll be part of the parenting.

Robbie's (the son) father is in the picture, but only 3 days of the month, so obviously I'm a bigger influence on Robbie than he is. There is one thing that my GF said that kinda hurt, and that is "you may be a dad to Robbie, but you'll never be his father". I've been meaning to talk to my GF about this, but all in good time. Maybe tonight.

I agree with you about teaching good relationship skills to children, they need to understand that a family is a family, it's not something that goes away or changes regularly. It's a solid unit. His Mom and I are a VERY solid unit, we love eachother very much and are in agreement about 90% of the time. I won't threaten to leave her because her son won't sleep at night, that's not fair to her or I. We have to work through this, and that's why I'm here.

By the way, I thank you all for taking the time to read this and respond. I really appreciate it. And I'm glad I got another Males input here too!!
 

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Sardis1969 said:
I won't threaten to leave her because her son won't sleep at night, that's not fair to her or I.

What isn't fair is that she won't let you be a father when you're basically fulfilling all of the dad roles. You're probably helping out with bills, having sex with mom, doing chores around the house, babysitting him when she wants some time alone, driving him places...etc etc.

But when the times comes to discipline him? She has final say?

lol...that is crazy. Talk about one-sided. Do you just walk around the house all day without any pants because she's wearing them?

MAN UP!!! This is going to drive you crazy if you don't end it now!

Btw, how long have you been dating? Please tell me it's been at least a year or 2!
 

Kaytee

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well I'll be the one that says CIO is mean. This child is in day care ALL DAY LONG!! He's not with his mother. Sure kids in daycare are going to grow up just fine, its not about that really. Its the fact that he doesn't see his mother ALL DAY, then this MAN moves in and takes away the little time he has with her. He now is sharing his mommy with a stranger. How would you feel? I would be trying to get my moms attention too.
As far as wetting at night, he might be doing it for attention, he may jut not be night trained. The average age for potty training is 3 1/2 for a boy, so he is early there, but night training is totally different. SOme kids will wet the bed at 5. Its normal.
 

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The bottom line is your g/f is either going to have to accept you as an equal partner in raising him or your going to have to move out. I've put a lot work into my step-daughter and have done so with 100% support from my wife. There is no way I could just sit idle and keep my mouth shut. If that is what she is looking for then she doesn't need to have man living with her. It is that simple.
 

Kaytee

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Good Wolf said:
The bottom line is your g/f is either going to have to accept you as an equal partner in raising him or your going to have to move out. I've put a lot work into my step-daughter and have done so with 100% support from my wife. There is no way I could just sit idle and keep my mouth shut. If that is what she is looking for then she doesn't need to have man living with her. It is that simple.
I agree to an extent, if they are planning marriage then yes he should be equal (bare the child's bilogical father) but if he is just a boyfriend living in the house, then I can understand why she would play the mom card. Then again I would not move in with a boyfriend when I have a child, unless the child is his maybe.
 

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Kaytee said:
well I'll be the one that says CIO is mean. This child is in day care ALL DAY LONG!! He's not with his mother. Sure kids in daycare are going to grow up just fine, its not about that really. Its the fact that he doesn't see his mother ALL DAY, then this MAN moves in and takes away the little time he has with her. He now is sharing his mommy with a stranger. How would you feel? I would be trying to get my moms attention too.
As far as wetting at night, he might be doing it for attention, he may jut not be night trained. The average age for potty training is 3 1/2 for a boy, so he is early there, but night training is totally different. SOme kids will wet the bed at 5. Its normal.
I knew you were coming. ;)