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RALEIGH, N.C. – Convicted sex offender James Nichols said he was trying to better himself by going to church. But the police who arrested him explained: The church is off-limits because it has a daycare center.<br/>
Now Nichols is challenging North Carolina's sex-offender laws in a case that pits the constitutional right to religious freedom against the state's goal of protecting the public from child molesters.<br/>
"I just started asking the question, 'Why? Why am I being treated this way after trying to better myself?'" said Nichols, a 31-year-old who was twice convicted of indecent liberties with a teen girl and again in 2003 for attempted second-degree rape. "The law gives you no room to better yourself."<br/>
At issue in Nichols' case and a similar one in Georgia are day care centers and youth programs at houses of worship where sex offenders can come into proximity with children. Sex offender advocates agree some convicts should not be allowed around children, but they contend barring all offenders denies them support needed to become productive citizens.<br/>
"Criminalizing the practice of religion for everyone on the registry will do more harm than good," said Sara Totonchi, policy director for the Southern Center for Human Rights. "With these laws, states are driving people on the registry from their faith community and depriving them of the rehabilitative influence of the church."<br/>
Thirty-six states establish zones where sex offenders cannot live or visit. Some states provide exemptions for churches but many do not.<br/>
In December, North Carolina state legislators barred sex offenders from coming within 300 feet of any place intended primarily for the use, care or supervision of minors.<br/>
Three months later, Nichols was arrested at his home after attending Sunday services. He said he was "floored" to learn that he had been picked up because Moncure Baptist Church has a child-care center for families attending services.<br/>
"I believe wholeheartedly if it wasn't for God, I don't know where I'd be today," he said. "God's blessed me with learning how to live a better life."<br/>
In Georgia, the Southern Center for Human Rights sued the state in part because the law there prevents offenders from volunteering in places of worship. The lawsuit brought on behalf of Georgia's 16,000-plus registered sex offenders is pending in federal court.<br/>
Katherine Parker, legal director for the ACLU of North Carolina, said she was not aware of religion-based challenges to sex-offender laws in any other states. The ACLU is helping in Nichols' case.<br/>
Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University, said preventing offenders from attending religious services is another in a series of increasingly unforgiving laws adopted across the country. Some of the laws have pushed offenders out of homes and entire communities.<br/>
"This case is part of a much larger group of cases dealing with the expansive sex-offender laws," Turley said. "The state cannot sentence someone to a life of being an agnostic or an atheist without violating the constitution."<br/>
Some question whether the restrictive laws will lead to more crime.<br/>
"It's not clear that there's any public-safety purpose to these laws. They continue to ostracize previous sex offenders in a way that could be dangerous in the end," said Sarah Tofte, a legal researcher with Human Rights Watch. "If they can successfully transition to the community, to include going to church, they are less likely to reoffend."<br/>
Some lawmakers say offenders such as Nichols should blame themselves for breaking the law in the first place.<br/>
"I'm not denying him the right to go to church. He denied himself that," said state Sen. David Hoyle, the Democrat who sponsored the North Carolina bill. "If they are a convicted pedophile, they have given up a lot of their rights."<br/>
Church leaders feel caught between leading houses of worship where broken people can seek help and preventing criminals from exploiting a place of trust. <br/>
Joseph Green, pastor of a church that Nichols attended after his arrest, reached out to him while at the same time assuaging the concerns of his parishioners. <br/>
"I told him as long as he's honest with me, then we're willing to embrace him and help him focus and get his life back on track," Green said. But, he added, "The Bible talks about wolves coming in in sheep's clothing, so I've got to be watchful over everyone coming into my church." <br/>
Most church members were welcoming. "I think everybody deserves a chance," said Shawn Cox, 28, a married father of two who says his faith helped steer him away from drug dealing and crime. <br/>
"God turned my life around," said Cox. "I'm not saying that you bring the guy in and put him over the youth program or the youth ministry as soon as he walks in the door. But there's no way he can overcome these things without help and support."</r>
 

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I think it's pretty understandable that you're going to face some hurdles trying to better yourself after having been convicted of such heinous acts. In my opinion, if these people have any risk to re-offend, they shouldn't be out in society. It's like releasing a murderer, giving him his gun back and saying, now don't buy any bullets. (or maybe worse, I don't know that every murderer has any emmotional tie to the act of murder...)

I'm sure there are plenty of places he can go to church without daycares, perhaps he should focus on abiding by the laws of his society if he's really trying to better himself. I'm sure he's been made well aware of the restrictions placed upon him.
 

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I agree. Everyone has a right to go to Church...even sex offenders. But there are PLENTY of churches (especially in North Carolina, being within the "Bible Belt") without daycares. Obviously, he's going to run into children in his everyday life, there is no avoiding that but if he's truely trying to better himself, he should find a church that doesnt have a daycare, but he still likes.
 

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I wont get all detailed with this, but I really have no pitty for him. He thinks his life sucks after being convicted of rape because he can't go to a church with preschoolers in it? Imagine how much it must suck to be living the life of the girl he raped. Yeah... poor, poor sex offender. I know I'm mean. But I have no pitty. He should just take what he can get and watch service on TV in the morning.

Or like Fo6 said, find a church with no daycare in it. I think its awful fishy for him to be so adamant about going to a specific church that happens to have a daycare in it.
 

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I see where Xero is coming from but I also see where he's coming from.

I was that kid who was sexually abused by my step-father, I know exactly how that little girl is feeling, and yes it sucks and it's terrifiying and sometimes you dont even want to be alive...wondering why God put you here just so you would go through that.

But IF he's trying to better himself, I truely do believe he has a right to go to church. I know that if Steve wanted to better himself and go to church I would have no problem with that...IF that's what he would truely be doing.

But I also agree with Xero and stand by my first statement that he could find a church where there isnt a daycare.
 

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Well I'm not saying I'm against the idea of him going to church to better himself. I would like to hope that those guys have good intentions at heart. And in all honesty, I would have to go case by case to decide how I really felt. Like the guy who was 19 that got (idiotically) involved with a 15 year old and got put on a sex offender list trying to go to church I would feel for him I suppose (but not too terribly much). But if this issue involved any type of pedophile, child molestation etc I would be completely and utterly against it. Pedophilia is a mental condition, a problem in the brain, and some studies suggest that they "can't help themselves" and I would NEVER EVER agree with one of them being allowed access to a facility with a daycare or anything similar. And if they allowed someone like that into my church (should I ever attend one haha) I would leave. Because I have children and it would creep me out. And pedophilia is not just some thing you can "better yourself" out of, like stealing or drug dealing or something. Its an illness.
 

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It's hard for me to take a position on this. On one hand, as a professed and practicing Christian, I want to see EVERY person have access to that which brings God and spiritual fulfillment in their lives. Yes, they can sit at home and watch a service or whatever, but it doesn't touch the experience and fulfillment offered by being with a body of believers. Who are we to deny someone an experience with God?

However.... I would be extremely concerned allowing a pedophile into any setting involving children. Most churches either have a daycare or a Sunday School program where a collection of children would obviously be.

I'm torn....
 

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No doubt. Whatever church he goes to, there will be children. Chrildren are at all churches, but he doesnt need to go to one with a daycare.

Maybe his P.O. could go with him, and then afterwards tighten up the unexpected visits or something.
 

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There's probably an ACLU injunction against his PO going to chuch in the course of his duties......
 

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the one thing that gets me with this sort of thing is that any time a person commits a crime such as this, well many of them "turn to god" only to go back out and continue committing the same sort of crime over and over and over while knowing better.
I don't believe they mean it when they say they've "turned their lives over to god and wont ever do it again". some might mean it, but most are just trying to blow smoke up someone's butt.

I do believe in an adult say oh about 20 or so meeting a minor that is just barely a minor and believing they've "fallen in love" without meaning any harm by it. but i also believe that the adult in that sort of situation should keep their heads on their shoulders and wait until the minor is an adult. if they did that, they wouldn't be listed as sex offenders. but most don't and end up being "marked for life" for committing a crime they didn't necessarily intend to commit.
but... there are some who do it and are just plain nasty criminals and should be listed as sex offenders such as in the Dugar case where that man and woman should not be allowed near children and are likely to do something like that again.

So, no. uh uh. This guy and any other person who commits a sex crime or any other heinous crime should Not be allowed near kids ever again. There Are other places to worship. They don't have to do it near children. If you don't like the consequences of your actions, you shouldn't have done whatever you did in the first place. So quit whining about it and stfu.
even if the sex crime was against a teenager and/or gay person. it don't matter. the adult in the situation Knew better and totally took advantage of the minor's immaturity.

one more thing please. i think the ACLU needs to stop defending the criminals and care more about the victims instead, like someone else mentioned---the criminal didn't care at all what kind of impact their nasty actions were going to have on their victims. so why should anyone care about their rights getting stepped on. those criminals didn't care about their victims.



i'm sorry if i've repeated some things. things aint good here.
 

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16th ave. why do you put gay people in a separate category, are they treated differently in a court of law, such as a man committing sex crimes against another man?

Here if you are a registered sex offender you aren't allowed within a certain distance of schools, nurseries, parks, things like that.
 

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i doubt in a court of law a gay person would be treated any differently. but there are people who would not be upset if they thought the victim was gay. just like there are still folks who see color as a reason to not care if a person is victimized.

someone said the guy in the article was doing things with teens. the fact that the victim was a teen was pointed out.
that's why i mentioned it. to me it shouldn't matter if the crime is against a teen or a 2 yr. old or an adult or someone who is black or green or purple or blue or a boy or a girl or straight or gay. it was a heinous act no matter the person. and it was wrong.

"""Here if you are a registered sex offender you aren't allowed within a certain distance of schools, nurseries, parks, things like that."""
that's the way it is here. the guy in the article wants to go to church where there is a daycare which is what the discussion is supposed to be about.
 

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Momnonymous said:
He's a sex offender for doing things with TEENS... teens don't go to daycare.
Yeah, the first guy they mentioned did things with teens, so obviously he would have a better case (as you pointed out), but if you read past the first paragraph, the story went on to mention sex offenders in general and whether or not they should be allowed in those churches. That's what we are discussing.