Lissa says she is gone for good. My hope is that Fooser has found some other forum and she and others are following him there. There are 1000s of forums out there, so I don't feel bad. We are not baring them from doing anything they want, they just can't do certian things here. If they want to play by our rules I am fine, but I just don't see a select few ever willing to do that 100%. Our trouble makers, at best, are willing to play the rules 85% of the time (my estimation), and that is not good enough for me. I need our party crowd to play by rules 99% and have it be a rare occation when the party gets out of hand, we can't have it be a daily "Opps, sorry I call your mom a ...." crap, with the promise to stop for few hours or a few days, only to say "Opps, sorry for...". I feel sometimes we are dealing with a few people have had too much to drink and they don't give a damn if they drive drunk, because that part of the fun too.