in the news, finally! someone gets some work done...

16th ave.

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<r>if ya haven't heard or seen it yet.<br/>
<URL url="</s>Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill - Yahoo! News<e></e></URL><br/>
finally someone is actually going to address one of the more important issues that our national congress is puttin' off. (danged its hard tiypin with a numb finger. never new how much i needed that foruth digit.<E>:rolleyes:</E>)<br/>
anyways, what ya think???<br/>
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Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill<e>
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PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed into law the nation's toughest legislation against illegal immigration Friday, a sweeping measure that supporters said would take handcuffs off police but which President Barack Obama said could violate people's civil rights.<br/>
The bill, sent to the Republican governor by the GOP-led Legislature, would make it a crime under state law to be in the country illegally. It would also require local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.<br/>
Brewer, who faces a tough election battle and growing anger in the state over illegal immigrants, said the law "protects every Arizona citizen," and said the state must act because the federal government has failed.<br/>
"We in Arizona have been more than patient waiting for Washington to act," Brewer said after signing the law. "But decades of inaction and misguided policy have created a dangerous and unacceptable situation."<br/>
The bill takes effect in 90 days after the current legislative sessions in the next several weeks.<br/>
Obama said in Washington that he's instructed the Justice Department to examine the Arizona bill to see if it's legal, and said the federal government must enact immigration reform at the national level — or leave the door open to "irresponsibility by others."<br/>
"That includes, for example, the recent efforts in Arizona, which threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans, as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe," Obama said.<br/>
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Civil rights activists have said the bill would lead to racial profiling and deter Hispanics from reporting crimes.<br/>
Brewer said she wouldn't tolerate racial profiling.<br/>
Hundreds of protesters gathered at the State Capitol complex Friday calling on Brewer to veto the legislation.<br/>
Demonstrators have been camped outside the Capitol since the measure passed out of the Legislature on Monday. Their numbers have grown steadily throughout the week, with buses bringing protesters from as far away as Los Angeles.<br/>
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About a dozen supporters of the measure also gathered.<br/>
U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva, a Democrat who opposes the measure, said he's closing his Arizona offices at noon Friday after his staff in Yuma and Tucson were flooded with calls this week, some from people threatening violent acts and shouting racial slurs.<br/>
The bill's Republican sponsor, state Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, said Obama and other critics of the bill were "against law enforcement, our citizens and the rule of law."<br/>
Pearce said the legislation would remove "political handcuffs" from police and help drive illegal immigrants from the state.<br/>
"Illegal is illegal," said Pearce, a driving force on the issue in Arizona. "We'll have less crime. We'll have lower taxes. We'll have safer neighborhoods. We'll have shorter lines in the emergency rooms. We'll have smaller classrooms."<br/>
Arizona has an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants and is the state with the most illegal border crossings, with the harsh, remote desert serving as the gateway for thousands of Mexicans and Central Americans.<br/>
Other provisions of the bill allow lawsuits against government agencies that hinder enforcement of immigration laws, and make it illegal to hire illegal immigrants for day labor or knowingly transport them.</r>
 

mom2many

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I have very mixed feelings on this law, while I understand that something needs to be done with the illegals I am not sure that this bill is the right way to do it.

I worry that now they will no longer come forward when a crime is committed, either against them or against someone else, I worry about the burden that will be placed on the police force, because now not only will they be trying to find people who witnessed it but they will be checking to see if they are illegal, so next they have to aresst the illegal who witnessed the crime. It just seems ass backwards.

There has to be a better way of allowing laborers (mostly illegals) to work and still help pick/plant and harvest our food without going to such drastic measures. And one that doesn't take years to set in motion.

I come from LA and I live in a farming community so I do see both sides of the coin.
 

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UK immigration is very different to US immigration, here anyone in the EU can live in any country within the EU, so we have a great majority of legal immigrants here, there are around 500,000 illegal immigrants in the UK, very few are in Northern Ireland though, the Irish tend to burn down houses of even legal immigrants....

Here being an illegal immigrant is illegal and once caught you will be removed, however you wont be sent to prison or anything, if you have papers you will be simply driven to the airport and placed on a plane, if you don't have papers the UK borders agency will obtain them for you and you will be sent home at a later date. Obviously we don't have border control between different counties or countries within the UK and as long as you don't travel by aeroplane you don't need a passport to travel throughout the EU.

Here our illegal and legal immigrants tend to be temporarily staying in the UK, most work for a couple of years and then go home, when a new country joins the EU we do get a boom in those people coming to the UK, then it slowly decreases until only a handful remain.

We have a lot of immigration based around healthcare, recently a family from the Republic of Ireland came here so that their conjoined twins could be separated.

Our border agency does use racial profiling to try to identify illegal immigrants, they also tend to be based around towns/cities with high levels of known illegal immigration, however in the UK this doesn't just focus around coloured people so it doesn't target on particular race, it targets caucasians, asians, chinese, afrikaners, african etc. They also tend to go to restaurants/shops owned by foreign nationals, where a lot of our illegal immigrants end up.
Here an illegal immigrant can report a crime, and their report will be taken as seriously as a citizen's crime report, however of course I assume many wont incase they face deportation.

At the moment for legal immigration we have a points system, these are based on what you can bring to the UK, such as skills which will be a benefit, then you need a sponsor in the UK, who can be an employer, you need a certain amount of money in the bank etc.

This is very important in my mind at the minute, the UK laws need changing in my view, now a woman under 21 non-citizen cannot marry a British man, a cousin of mine in Wales married a Canadian woman under 21 nine days before the new law came in, yet Britain still threw her out. Then last week my cousin's wife was deported (to Russia) because he lost his job of 26 years, which under UK law makes her visa void, she has lived here for 28 years and they have three children together.
 

ohbie1

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One thing you have to admit........Jan Brewer has guts. Let's get her to run forVP or president. We haven't had a Pres. with real guts since Reagan, and before him, Truman. Name another politician with the guts Jan Brewer has.


You can't!
 

Dadu2004

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ohbie1 said:
One thing you have to admit........Jan Brewer has guts. Let's get her to run forVP or president. We haven't had a Pres. with real guts since Reagan, and before him, Truman. Name another politician with the guts Jan Brewer has.


You can't!

That's a matter of opinion.