Music linked to teen sex...

jgomez65

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I am not sure if you read about this one, but some researches found that
those teens who regularly listened to music with explicit and aggressive sexual phrases were twice as likely to be having sex.

I think screening what our kids listen to and watch is the key here. (notice that I said screening and not banning)

Here is the link on how conducted the study
 

zeitgeist

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Funny, I was just talking to my wife about this today (though I hadn't seen anything about the study) and worrying about what it will be like raising a girl with the nonsense available on music TV these days.

Oh, man. I'm my grandpa.
 

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A new study like that comes out every few years. They've been saying this since rock and roll became popular in the 50s. Teens are curious about sex. If given the opportunity they will have sex. This will happen with or without music. The best thing we as parents can do is be an active part of our kid's lives, watch them as close as we can without getting weird, and hope they listen to what we've tried to teach them.

I listened to hard rock and heavy metal as a kid. A parent once called my Mom and expressed concern over the "violent and satanic lyrics." My Mom laughed, explained the relationship of shock value and record sales to this person, and told her she knew what I listened to because she bought it for me. We listened to it together, talked about the freaky stuff, and moved on. Mom saw weird music no differently than watching a slasher flick. It's make believe. She also knew that she had taught me about right vs. wrong and real vs. fantasy a long time before I became a teenager.

I have noticed that artists are pushing the limits of shock a lot though. I always thought I would be open minded and cool like my Mom. Then my younger brother brought a CD home that was by a band that I can best describe as, the most zealous and devote group of satanists I've ever heard. Their music and imagery so bother me that I forbid my brother to play it on my stereo or anywhere near me. It was at this point that I knew I was getting older. lol

Now I'm a Dad. My daughter is into rap and hip hop. Aside from a song or two by a couple of artists, I pretty much can't stand the stuff. I find it to be annoying, one dimensional and without any real claim to be called music. Anyone who knows how to string words that rhyme together in a simple rhythm and say them over a sampled cut of an established good song in the studio can sell a million CDs. This is a true insult to musicians who can actually sing and play an instrument. If anyone is doubting the validity of my point, listen to Kanye's hit "Heartless" on CD. Then YouTube his recent American Idol live performance of the same song. Without the polishing of studio magic, Kanye sounded worse than Roseanne Barr doing our national anthem. He has no real talent, but is a millionaire. He's not the only one and it's pathetic IMO.

I'm now going to get back on topic. lol

Despite my great disdain for my daughter's musical choice and the behavior that comes with it, ie: the "gangsta/hustla/diva" attitude and assorted BS, the total butchering of the English language, I try and remain tolerant. After all, I once had hair to the middle of my back, wore nothing but Levi's and black t-shirts, thought knee high moccasin boots were cool, and wore bandannas tied around my leg. I was a rock and roll rebel. lol

Then I heard the lyrics to some of the stuff she was listening to...OMG! It was like "Porn" the musical! These guys left positively nothing to the imagination. If you want to know what I heard, Google the lyrics for "Lollipop". My Mom was cool and open minded, but I still wasn't allowed to check out porn at the age of 15. (at least and have her know about it ;))

So we now have a PG-13 only rule concerning song lyrics and any new additions to the IPod library have to go through me.

I wasn't concerned that these lyrics were going to cause my daughter to run out and have sex. I simply thought that she was not old enough to be hearing things so graphic. She can watch certain rated R movies, but only after I've seen them first. I figured if she wasn't allowed to watch a porno, she shouldn't be allowed to listen to one either.

My daughter was at first upset about my rule. When I reminded her of how badly she berated her older brother when he was caught looking at inappropriate stuff on the computer and explained that she was basically listening to what he was looking at, she changed her tune. She still isn't crazy about how much I stay "in her business', but she'll get over it. :D
 

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FooserX said:
Moral of the story: heavy metal = good! rap/hiphop = bad!

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Not really. Like I said, even the metal my brother brought home was way more over the top than I was comfortable hearing. That was long before I had kids. Even 80s rap wasn't as x rated as today's stuff. It's really not genre specific. It just bugs me more because I dislike raunchy hip hop a little more than I dislike seriously evil metal. Stuff in the 80s was a strong PG-13 or R. Now we're into NC17 and X. A 15 year doesn't need to be seeing or hearing anything NC17 or X. I'm not naive. I know kids will do what kids will do, but I'm not going to turn a blind eye or a deaf ear. My kids will at least have to work a little harder to get away with stuff. :D
 

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I agree with what BentMonk says about teens will ahve sex regardless of music or not.

While my girls are little I do monitor what music they listen to. Quite frankly im appauled at what is marketed at children.

I dont think they have made it in the U.S, but we have thise band here, The Veronicas, made up of twin girls, they have a children's clothing range, children's toys, and honestly, similar marketing (minus to movie) to High School Musical, but their (original, not covers) lyrics are all about sex.
The chorus to their debut song was
"Come on baby we ain't gonna live forever
Let me show you all the things that we could do
I know you wanna be together
And I wanna spend the night with you (yeah yeah), with you (yeah yeah)
Come with me tonight, we can make the night last forever, oh oh"
They also had a song "Untouched" which came out after one of the twins started dating an Australian Idol finalist who has quite open about his wish not to have sex until marriage. Listening to that song was a bit "Uhh... okay... we all get what this is about... and this is marketed to children why?"

Also, The Pussycat Dolls are marketed at very young girls, and I dont see why.

However, once my girls get into high school, then theyre free to listen to whatever they want. Teens are going to learn about sex and everything else anyway, and id rather I know about what theyre listening to from having ti blaring out of their rooms then have the ability to address anything im a little concearned about, rather than having them sneak it behind my back and know nothing.
 

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zeitgeist said:
I've been saying that for years. Not in a moral context, just aesthetically. :cute:
I agree. I know that my high school age daughter is going to see and hear a lot that I would rather she not. Still, I don't want her to be sheltered and naive either. That's more dangerous than being a wild child in some instances. I still think, regardless of genre, kids under 18 don't need to hear or see anything that would get a NC17 or X rating. A lot of current popular music falls under these ratings, and the crap is still played on the radio.

I know there have always been songs that talked about having sex and other adult behavior. The difference between then and now is subtlety. The references were implied, and you had to pay attention to catch them. No it's all spelled out and thrown in your face. IMO the new stuff lacks creativity and style.
 

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AmyBelle - the Veronicas are in America pretty heavy too. I don't think we have their clothing line or products or anything though, just the music. Untouched is all over the radio, but I never heard of them until that.

BentMonk - Do I really have to say it? I totally agree. :p
Oh, and with your bro, what band was that?

I would say something about all of this, but I would just be repeating stuff BentMonk already said. xD

But Foos, he did say that certain kinds of metal bother him as well. This thread is about music being linked to sex, and you don't often find that connection in metal, however rap/hip hop is smothered in sexual innuendo. It's like nine times out of ten about sex. So it's the target genre for this topic. Metal can be evil and disgusting, even disturbing and wrong, I've heard it all, and I will openly admit that there's just as much bad metal/rock out there as there is rap/hip hop, but they are a different kind of bad and we're talking about sex. Every genre has its limits as to what is or isn't okay for certain ages to hear (although it all comes down to your own opinion). So it's not - "which genre is worse for kids" it's - "Which <U>songs</U> in EACH genre are worse for kids than the others?" basically when it comes down to it. It can be complicated.
 

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Heck, even R&amp;B and country have terribly sexual songs, it doesn't matter what you listen to! You can't single out one genre as being bad, because they all have their own bad sections. :p

My mom used to play this one country song all the time that like completely described some (romantic and loving, but still totally inappropriate) night of intimacy. It always made me feel uncomfortable as a kid lol.

Just because one song sounds more gentle to the ear than the other doesn't make the lyrics and less sexual of influencial. :D
 

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FooserX said:
Moral of the story: heavy metal = good! rap/hiphop = bad!

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not really an accurate statement. Heavy metal his just as bad lyrical content as rap. You never heard of Marylin Manson. Or have u heard of mudvayne they have a song called gig. It talks about diging someone grave and putting a rope around their neck. The rap that is sexually explicit is the what is displayed to the mainstream. Their are many positive current rap acts like K-os (he doesn not swear in his music at all). Heavy Metal is not exempt from sexually explict content either. You have songs like cherry pie, girls girls girls. Tommy Lee in now most famous for a sex tape with pamela anderson
 

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Xero - Here we are again. lol The band that bothered me so bad was Deicide.

I have realized that most people don't pay attention to the lyrics, at least consciously. A friend was singing along to Third Eye Blind's hit "Semi Charmed Life" and I started laughing and saying, "I can't believe you're singing that with your kid." My friend was all like, "What? That's a catchy tune and she likes it." Once I pointed out the repeated references to "doing crystal meth" and casual sex, they changed their mind about how cool it was to be singing that with their kid.

IMO it all comes down to being an active and informed parent. No, we shouldn't do so much that our kids are naive and scared to think for themselves, but the current "anything goes" attitude is going to have us waist deep in various problems if we all don't start paying attention to what our kids are putting in their heads.

Actually, it's not just about the kids. Half of the crap on radio and TV isn't good for anyone's mind and attitude. That's why I love books, DVDs and my IPod. :D Feed the body and mind with only good things, and a good life will follow.
 

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I grew up listening to Hard Rock and Heavy Metal and graduated high school a virgin. *Gasp* There are SO many factors involved. Music alone has little to do with it.
 

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Right here. Right now.
Leave "Music" alone....it has little if anything to be blamed for.

Try blaming the teens.

This reminds me of the documentaries about back-masking vocals in Heavy Metal, produced by extreme bible thumpers in the 80's.
 

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Music-dad said:
Leave "Music" alone....it has little if anything to be blamed for.

Try blaming the teens.

This reminds me of the documentaries about back-masking vocals in Heavy Metal, produced by extreme bible thumpers in the 80's.
I agree completely. I still say that a 14 or 15 year old has no real business listening to, watching or doing anything that would be considered NC17 or X. They're just not mature enough yet to process that kind of stuff responsibly. We all thought we were when we were that age. If we're honest when we look back though, we know we didn't have a clue. It's no different today. The material in question has just gotten raunchier.

BTW, it does say "smoke marijuana" when you play Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust" backward. The guys in Queen did it deliberately to thumb their noses at the extremist BS you mentioned. :D
 

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Um....I'll have to look into the A.B.T.D....I haven't heard that, and it wouldn't surprize me if it was just a fluke that they decided to take credit for....because it doesn't sound a close as Stairway's, "Here's to my sweet Satan"...which also doesn't sound that close either. I'd love to hear what they come up with when they play Amazing Grace backwards - hahaha

But I agree that music has gotten raunchier in the mainstream....just this weekend I watched a doc. about Larry Pierce...he's done a ton of "dirty country songs"...and has never diquised or sugar coated anything...needless to say his albums are basically only available at truck-stops.

I remember in my day Rough Trade (Carol Pope) and her verse in Highschool Confidential -

<I>What's the principal doin' with her?
Who's that guy, is he screwing with her?
What's her perfume? Tigress by Fabergé
She makes me cream my jeans
When she's coming my way
</I>

Oddly enough the radio stations forced them to remix with

<I>She makes me mmmmmmm when she comes my way.</I>


But I sure remember how devious we felt listening to the album version.

And just for fun....

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