One "gifted" and one "disabled"?...

Jamest87

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Hey Everybody,

I have a few questions about my sons, and possibly my daughter.

Since Josh is the oldest I'll start with him. Josh is almost 5 years old, he's CRAZY smart and my wife and I don't know what to do as far as school goes. As of right now, he reads at a third grade level, talks like a pre teen [minus the funky teenage boy voice of course] and when he gets bored he asks me to teach him more math, we stopped at division, which I think is 4th grade math? You talk to him, and not only does he use bigger words than most adults, he knows what they mean, how to use them properly and how to pronounce them. I almost had a heart attack the first time he used arrogant in a sentence. Almost my whole family is musical, so we expected that he would take an interest in music eventually. I personally learned how to play piano, guitar, drums and almost every instrument in a concert band [trombone, trumpet, flute etc etc] so we expected him to crave some musical knowledge. So far he knows a few songs on piano and is learning a LOT of guitar. Between the family [cousins] and neighborhood kids, all of his friends are older, the oldest is about 8 from the neighborhood and all of the older cousins are between 6 and 12. He's way beyond his 5 years and we're afraid that if we put him in school with kids his age he'll get bored and lose interest in learning. We've been looking for schools with advanced programs, but all we're finding are strange alternative schools. Any advice on this?

Amber just turned 3, and like Josh she is very smart. She doesn't crave knowledge quite as much as he does, but she can read and write, and does basic math. She has recently taken an interest in tinkering with the piano, I actually just taught her how to play twinkle twinkle little star today haha. People are amazed when I take Josh and Amber out on errands with me because not only do they talk a lot, their vocabularies are pretty amazing for little kids. People, mostly the grandma type will always feel the need to stop by and comment on how amazing it is that I can hold a conversation with my kids about "real" topics. Amber may not be as ... advanced? as Josh as far as learning, but she is definitely above average. We aren't too sure if she will need to be placed in advanced classes with Josh, but I guess time will tell us that.

Jeremy, the youngest as of right now, is a different story. Jeremy just turned 2 and is the quiet one. He was always a little behind on all of the milestones, and it looks like it might stay like that for a while. He has about 40% hearing loss in one of his ears, which makes it difficult for us to know if he can really hear us when we talk to him. Jeremy doesn't talk much, but we know he understands what we say to him. I guess he's more of a listener than a talker, but it makes us nervous that he doesn't talk more. Since he has some hearing loss, he has problems with some sounds, the normal kid speech for the most part, the r's [cows is now simultaneous with cars, L's are W's and so on] but we're not sure if he's going to "grow out" of those speech related things like Josh and Amber, of if it really is because of his hearing loss instead of cute little kid talk. We've been told by his doctors that he'll need to have a hearing aid, probably before he goes to school, and that he may need to be in "special" classes where the teachers will be better trained to handle students with hearing problems, and he will probably have to go through a lot of speech therapy during school. We definitely aren't "afraid" of any of this, we know we will be able to get help for him when he needs it, but being the overly concerned parents we are, we're afraid that if Josh is in advanced classes, Amber is doing extremely well in regular classes, and Jeremy is trying 100 times harder in whatever classes they put him in, that he'll have a crap self esteem.

And the new baby, well. Lets hope for the best lmao

I know it's probably too early to worry about Amber and Jeremy, but Josh will be going to school in September, so.. Advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
James
 

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I dont think a slight hearing loss is really disabled. But anyway The 5 and maybe your 3 yr old could be a part of helping teaching the youngest. I know DS gets a big kick out of teaching his sister (Autistic) things. I would try and make helping (speech ect) a team event. And your right. I was told long ago that there are two types of people. Those who speak to think. And those who think to speak. Neither is bad. Sounds like your youngest is the latter.

While I agree your 5 yr old is going to need advanced classes. And its great he can have "adult" conversations. I think its also important he can effectively communicate with his peers (his age) The only suggestion I have for that maybe team sports or something like that.

As far as your DD no advise only envy. I wish I had some real talent.

Really based off a lot of the posts here. You have problems most people would like to have. I think I would give them all XXX &OOO's and keep doing what your doing (thinking about what is best for them).
 

Jamest87

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Oh, Josh loves trying to get Jeremy to do stuff with him, for a while Jeremy only talked to Josh. Amber on the other hand, ehhhh not so much lol, she's one of those "boys have cooties" girls, but she does play with them a lot considering.

Josh will be playing soccer soon, I think it starts in a couple weeks [my wife is the event coordinator lmao] but it's kind of a wide range of ages, I want to say it's 4-7, but it's not like.."real" soccer it's 'lets have a mass playdate for our kids and pretend they're on a team' soccer hahaha, but we're hoping he'll be able to socialize well with kids his age as well as he does older kids.

As for Jeremy, we [obviously] know about the hearing, but the delays of all the major milestones are starting to concern his doctor, my wife seems to think he's just playing us though, we'll ask him if he wants to talk to someone [mostly grandma] on the phone he looks at us like "pfft,you gotta be kidding me", we talk to him and talk to him and he just kinda sits there making faces that just scream "hehe you think i'm listening, i have better things to do" it's the eyebrows and the smirk. But then again you never know. We're waiting a lot of things out with him right now, but we'll see.
 

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IMO I would'nt get to worked up about those milestones. DS was either at the top or above and he is just above normal now. I think they mean more when kids are Pre k or above. The doctor showed me the chart and at the time I had a job doing statictics and I dont even know what kind of chart he was showing me.

Sounds like you have got it going on. If you can have the next one born rich you'll have it made.
 

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Jamest87 said:
I know it's probably too early to worry about Amber and Jeremy, but Josh will be going to school in September, so.. Advice would be much appreciated.
I have no clue why you would be worried about Amber, she seems above the standard of what a 3yr old should be capable of.

Josh will probably need either advanced classes or one-on-one help. I agree with the notion that he needs to learn to communicate with children his age, afterall, for quite a number of years now they are who he is going to be socialising with.

Its entirely possible that Jeremy will catch up, my eldest is 4 and at 2 she was behind all her 'major milestones' aswell, but she's since caught up.
 

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Sounds like you've got some very intelligent little ones there, you're one blessed father. Don't worry, do the best for your little guy there and keep reassuring him how special he is and he'll feel great about himself. I wouldn't worry about school yet, if my boy was only 2 lol. No offense. He'll be much different by the time he's five, worry about it then. Mine's 16 months and cries when I take a toy away from him, but you wont see me worrying about whether or not he'll be able to share in preschool.

Also, 87? Like 1987? Were you born in 1987?
 

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Also keep in mind if he is not only smart for his age, but mature for his age, then he could be a good candidate for skipping a grade. I can't see any reason to worry about your kids doing "too good" in school lol. Unless they can't socialize, they'll love it. Most kids do. I was smart and mature for my age in grade school, and they skipped me a grade, but I hated school anyway because I didn't get along with kids. Even though I was one haha. I was just socially awkward I suppose, and I had a hard time in school because I was stressed out and unhappy. So no matter how smart a kid is, unfortunately school will only be a good experience for them if they can get along with other kids. It's good to hear you're keeping an eye on that, keep up with the awesome work you sound like a great dad. :)
 

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Oooookay I stopped being lazy and read your profile haha. There it is, alright. Cool! I was born in 87 too. Man, you started early didn't you? I've got one and I feel young for it sometimes. FOUR! What's your birthday? I have to find out which one of us is older. I've been the youngest regular around these parts for a long time. :D lol
 

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lol Yes, I'm an 87 baby. 22 this year WOOT! hhaha

and sorry that was a little unclear, Amy, What I meant was worried about their schooling situations. Josh only has a few months before he starts school, Amber and Jeremy have a while.

We were talking with a friend of my mother in law she's a teacher and her husband was a principal for like, 15 years or something, she said that if we put Josh in kindergarden he'll be bored out of his mind, but if we put him where he should be according to his reading and math skills, he might not be able to handle the social side. We're working on it though.

We kind of knew most of our kids would be smart, I got a 2308 on my sat's when I was a sophomore, my wife had a high 22 something as a junior, so it was bound to happen, but we didn't know finding the right classes for them would be so difficult!
 

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haha January 16th.

My wife and I got babies for our 17th birthdays LOL, we had JUST turned 17, January and March, and in April we had our first two, but that turns into a long depressing story and has nothing to do with *this post* long story extremely short, we ended up losing one, Josh's twin. Maybe another post for another day.

lol I still find it strange to have kids at 21 [and 3/4 haha] because I still get these crazy old ladies coming up to me when I'm out with one or all of them and they'll be like OMG ITS SO NICE OF YOU TO BRING YOUR YOUNGER [brothers/sister/siblings] WITH YOU

ehhhh.. yeeeah they're my kids. then i get the old lady "you're a crazy devil" look. fun times.
 

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It's really not. Just send him to kindergarten and see what happens. You can't assume he wont like it or wont do well.

Also, check this out and read number five. :D

http://www.parentingforums.org/f17/rules-guidelines-read-before-posting-7179.html[/URL]

I'm only saying this because my subscribed threads are full of new posts in sooooooooooooo dead topics from you. :)
 

Xero

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lol I can only imagine the looks and questions you get, that's crazy. And so funny. That's okay, Eli was born right before I turned 21, so no getting so drunk I blacked out and woke up in Mexico with a stolen car for me. I've actually only ever been to a bar twice. And one time I was just eating wings lol.

Oh, and April 11th for me. So I suppose I'm younger. :) Well happy almost birthday!
 

Jamest87

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lmao, yeah sorry about that. That's what a realllllly long frustrating day at work does to my brain.

I'm a Psych student with an internship in a Psych ward. Eventually I just stop paying attention and I'm oblivious to the fact that I'm still alive anddddddd those tiny dates on posts.. yeeeah didn't know they existed until you replied to me the first time.

James + 10 hours of work = disastrous side effects.
 

Jamest87

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haha thank you!!

andddd bars are overrated. plus that whole issue of getting home to the munchkins.. ehhh not worth the worry. My brother is a bartender, I just invite him over and we have a party.

=]
 

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Yuck! I would hate that, but it sounds like an interesting job at least. I would like a job like that, just not the long days haha. I'd actually like to be a councelor but my mom decided to like... get addicted to pain killers and live in her bedroom when Eli was born so I was left to fend for myself, with no help to go to school like I was planning to. I'll be looking into it this year though, now that he's older and we are living in our own place with my guy.
 

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Jamest87 said:
lmao this is completely off topic now.

more evidence that I'm a spaz.
Hey. It's your thread. :p

Also, yeah bars are so umcomfortable. I can't stand being approached, so it never works out for me. Because some random guy always approaches me. I don't like to be away from Eli either, so if I wanna party I'll just do it with the people I invite in an atmosphere that I am comfortable with. :D
 

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Oh it's interesting alright. I didn't really know I wanted to be a Psychologist until i was halfway through mortuary science, which was rough. Probably not the right place to talk about it, but I have a pretty major history of self injury, and I'll leave it at that lol, but a lot of the "lab" parts of that course really didn't help my sanity. At that point I was still really sensitive to certain things, so I knew I wouldn't be able to handle it. The grief management classes were the ones i really enjoyed though, so that mixed with the fact that I'm always the one friends come to with their issues and liking to help people brought me to the conclusion that I should be a psychologist. So far so good. My father's friend got me the internship and a spot as a counselor in the outpatient program, I have a group of 8 kids "kids" as in 8-17 year olds lmao, but it's actually not as bad as you would think. The only thing I can complain about so far is that today I got stuck with a stone hearted ER psych. and he yelled at me multiple times for trying to comfort the mother of a teenager who attempted suicide, she was there alone and she was obviously upset.. I kinda figured I was doing my job but.. I guess not according to him. [I ignored him though ahaha I'm too nice to leave somebody like that]



andddd is this even the right place for this randomness now that im somewhat awake?