sexual freedom...
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<I>"...so many people are accepting of what comes "naturally" to humans. If we were born that way, it's okay. At least, that's what society says now. The danger of it all is that by allowing this acceptance and freedom, we are opening a lot of doors... "</I>
Lissa, this was your reply ... Yet you just posted a thread that other day about being different and people not accepting you just as you are. You were upset because someone asked if you were pregnant ... and since your not, you took at as an overweight comment. That infringed and upon your right of acceptance and natural freedom and you weren't happy.
Can anyone here tell me what goes through a Dolphins mind when they have gay sex... or a monkey ? .. Of course you cant .. therefore HOW can ANYONE make a deliberate statement as to if a gay person was born that way or "made the choice"? .. HOW would you know? YOUR NOT GAY !!
A few facts ...
- In East Asia same-sex love has been referred to since the earliest recorded history.
- The earliest Western documents (in the form of literary works, art objects, as well as mythographic materials) concerning same-sex relationships are derived from ancient Greece.
- Among many Middle Eastern Muslim cultures egalitarian or age-structured homosexual practices were, and remain, widespread and thinly veiled.
- In many societies of Melanesia, same-sex relationships were, until the middle of the last century, an integral part of the culture.
- The lives of many historical figures including Socrates, Alexander The Great, Lord Byron, Edward II, Hadrian, Julius Caesar, Michelangelo, Donatello and Christopher Marlowe included or were centered upon love and sexual relationships with people of their own sex.
So.... WHO says its wrong? Or is it just nonacceptance of another that might be different .... ponder.... but isnt that a sin under the Christian Bible ?
Lissa, this was your reply ... Yet you just posted a thread that other day about being different and people not accepting you just as you are. You were upset because someone asked if you were pregnant ... and since your not, you took at as an overweight comment. That infringed and upon your right of acceptance and natural freedom and you weren't happy.
Can anyone here tell me what goes through a Dolphins mind when they have gay sex... or a monkey ? .. Of course you cant .. therefore HOW can ANYONE make a deliberate statement as to if a gay person was born that way or "made the choice"? .. HOW would you know? YOUR NOT GAY !!
A few facts ...
- In East Asia same-sex love has been referred to since the earliest recorded history.
- The earliest Western documents (in the form of literary works, art objects, as well as mythographic materials) concerning same-sex relationships are derived from ancient Greece.
- Among many Middle Eastern Muslim cultures egalitarian or age-structured homosexual practices were, and remain, widespread and thinly veiled.
- In many societies of Melanesia, same-sex relationships were, until the middle of the last century, an integral part of the culture.
- The lives of many historical figures including Socrates, Alexander The Great, Lord Byron, Edward II, Hadrian, Julius Caesar, Michelangelo, Donatello and Christopher Marlowe included or were centered upon love and sexual relationships with people of their own sex.
So.... WHO says its wrong? Or is it just nonacceptance of another that might be different .... ponder.... but isnt that a sin under the Christian Bible ?
Yes it is a sin. I would also like to point out, that in the Bible, God says that no sin is greater than another... The man who steals is the same as the homosexual man... God sees both sins in the same light... And it isn't actually a sin to BE gay... Only if you act on those feelings...hwnorth said:
So Lissa, if you had sex before marriage, God sees your sin exactly the same as the sin of the gay man... So... just something to think about.
And yes, if women are considered inferior in your religion, then my example works.
I basically agree with jtee. I believe that the feelings of homosexuality are something you are born with, and that you can't help that. What you can help, just as with any other urge, is whether or not you act on it. For me, it's the action that is the sin, not the urge. The urge is the temptation.
And to compare homosexuality to pedophilia and/or bestiality....that's just wrong, and just perpetuates stereotypical thoughts that already cause harm to homosexuals.
And to compare homosexuality to pedophilia and/or bestiality....that's just wrong, and just perpetuates stereotypical thoughts that already cause harm to homosexuals.
ivybendorf said:
There are posts missing, so I'm not sure what this statement has to do with the arguement, but I want to comment on this.
I'm not sure if Lissa is the same denomination as I am. I am Independant, Fundamental Baptist. And in our beliefs, women are submissive. Notice that word. NOT inferior.
The reason women are to be submissive and not the man is simple: One, man was created first, that's how God wanted it, and Two, we women lead with our hearts a lot and not with our head.
That being said, submissive does NOT mean inferior. A lot of good, christian people mistake that. Submissive simply means "submitting to another in charge." There is nothing degrading about the term "submissive" whatsoever. Jesus Christ himself says women is submissive to man, man submissive to Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ submissive to God. It's just a chain of command. And really, how many chains of command do you run into on a daily basis? Quite a few. It's just another way to put some order into the world.
Sorry, but I'm not getting your logic AT ALL. You say it yourself. A chain of command... Why would there be a need for a chain of command unless someone was on top, and someone else on bottom?Amber said:
Woman is submissive to Man and Man is submissive to Jesus Christ
is like worker is submissive to team leader and team leader is submissive to Supervisor.
They are not called your superiors for no reason.
Whoever tried to convince you that it's not degrading to be submissive, was so very wrong...
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Oh and just for clarification, for ME when I hear "Man should be submissive to God" to me that means man and woman... Man means mankind...
LOL maybe some women are submissive to man, but <I>I am my own women</I>. I speak my mind, if something is wrong I speak up and I do not make man the superior in anything. Being in a relationship means that its 50-50 all the way.
I don't understand why women today still feel the need or actually more the fact that men feel the need to be in power and have a submissive wife