tadamsmar said:
Kazdin was 2008 President of the American Psychological Association and is the director of the Yale University Parenting Center. What are your credentials so we can compare them to Kazdin's?
What's interesting is that you keep referring to Kazdin as the one and only possible solution to all problems related to children, even after we went through detailed examples and went over many flaws of behaviorism, and even after you recognized these flaws.
And yet, as you are quick to appeal to your expert's credentials, you carefully hide your own lack of credentials and call me to compare my own credentials to your "expert" rather than to yourself.
For that matters, I could tell you to look at Carl Rogers' credentials and compare them to Kazdin, but what would that do?!? It would be a ridiculous contest, "My dad is stronger than yours!". Please. The point is not who you recommend. The point is <I>
why</I> you recommend them and
whether you are qualified to recommend them, <I>
based on their context and situation</I>, not blindly.
Now - Kazdin is a great psychologist with a wonderful career, and no one here is stating otherwise. But Kazdin is a 67 years old man who was at the peak of his time in the field of behavioral modification, and is still today the specialist of THAT branch of psychology. And that branch of psychology, today, is used to help severe mental health conditions.
It's no longer seen as useful for child rearing by a large portion of the professional field, because of the many flaws of addressing a behavior without addressing it's underlying causes and their linked needs. This is what is being taught nowadays in the university, what can I tell you?
Kazdin was the APA president in 2008? That's your argument?
Well, in 2008, the APA association was also involved with using behavioral psychologists to help
interrogate torture prisoner for the Bush administration, which resulted in a huge amount of psychologist to rebel and bypass the APA administration and force Kazdin to send a letter to Bush to dissociate from these practices. Nice year for Kazdin's presidency! I bet you don't find this in his resume. It's no surprise that the same president who is the chief researcher of the branch of behavioral modification science also sees no evil in using this science for torture.
And given both of you are in the same generation, I am not surprised you seem to see his method as the only way to handle children - by forcing a change of behavior, while fully ignoring the actual needs of the child or even trying to understand what's going on.
Singledad asked you some very serious questions earlier about how you would handle a hypothetical situation; it turned out that situation was not hypothetical after all, and your "solution" was a huge FAIL, where you didn't even bother to found out the kid's background and context. Had your "solution" been used on that child, given her context, it would have actually been damaging. Did you learn something from this? It seems not.
The key here is not whether Kazdin has credentials or not.
The key is that YOU are the one who has NO credentials what so ever, and yet who keeps answering every post you can find with "use the Kazdin method!".
Me? I may not be the president of the APA, but I am a professional in the field, being a family psychotherapist, I design and facilitate attachment parenting workshops, I have true concrete success with each parent that I help, and I am completing a Masters degree in the field, which is why I am not always present to counter your ill-advices on these forums. And unlike you, I am not stuck on any single book or single method: I advice parents by asking and diagnosing problems in their full context; I refer to various books (out of several dozens), out of which P.E.T. is only one of them; and I have made it clear that every parents takes and leave what they can from them.
<I>So what are YOUR professional credentials, besides having raised children in the 1960's?</I>
tadamsmar said:
As I have pointed out in the past, I found a couple of researchers (Shonkoff, Gerhardt) that you <I>claimed</I> supported your position in fact supported Kazdin's methods and had nothing to say (as far as I could tell) about your approach one way or the other.
As for your claims regarding other researcher, which again comes down to putting thoughts and claims in their mouth that they have not said, it's (again) another pathetic attempt at straw-man argument. Neither Shonkoff nor Gerhardt have specifically endorsed or reject what I advice, nor endrosed Kazdin either; the point of
this video I posted was that stress causes the brain to shut down its learning and distress causes stress. Timeouts and love-withdrawal techniques in which children are ignored cause distress. Alternate methods involving low stress, or no stress, therefore allow a better and proper brain development during infancy. And frankly I don't have time to repeat these notions ad-nauseaum to someone who simply brush them off and then purposely misrepresent them to push an outdated science for unknown reasons.
How many times have you actually brought false pretense about what I was advising (but really was not), such as the stupid video with the fake tantrum, or the idea that I would support child restraints - all of which are false representations in order to discredit what you obviously don't even understand? How many times have you insulted people, got negative rep? How come you have been warned by mods twice and got this close from being banned?
And then YOU ask ME for my credentials?!?
tadamsmar said:
As far as I can tell, all the methods that your recommend are good...
And yet just in another thread two weeks ago you wre also stating the contrary. It's like a pendulum. You seem to adjust your beliefs and your claims to the day, depending on how you want to attack someone's credibility or defend your own. :no: I am sick of it.